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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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well i guess on this episode of the

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power cast we probably will not

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discuss the bloody roswell slides or

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maybe a little bit

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but the one thing i do want to mention

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is that seems like one of the first

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in ufo history at least in recent years

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where people of different persuasions

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got together to explore that thing being

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the roswell slides research group we had

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out and out skeptics debunkers like

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lance moody

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and people who were in middle of the

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road and people who you'd

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consider believers all getting together

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all pitting their resources and coming

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out with a useful result

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and

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is this possibly chris o'brien

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a way to make some progress in this

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toxic field

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i suppose i mean

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stranger uh things have happened

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sometimes these

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controversies do create strange

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bedfellows as they would say

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but uh

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i think it'll be back to business as

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usual and we'll see the usual sniping

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conflicts between uh opposing camps here

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but i guess it's a good thing when

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people come together to you know at

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least drill down on the truth and try to

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get the real story as in the case of

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this latest fiasco i'm just so tired of

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of hearing about it the revelation by i

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think some journalists in mexico that

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that they had over two and a half

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people sign up for the streaming i have

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a hard time believing that that figure

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but if it's true and if they did have

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between 6 500 and 7

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uh at the live event you're talking in

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the neighborhood of 40 50 million

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dollars and if that's the case

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criminal charges should be filed let's

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put it that way i mean it's i don't know

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i don't know if there's any way to

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really ascertain

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or to have them

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revealed a number of of live streaming

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clients but

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it just boggles my mind that they could

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you know be so cavalier and get away

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with it we haven't heard a word from

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this adam do character

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which i think

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statement from him tom carey is still

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sticking to his guns but

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by and large

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this was a big learning lesson i think

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for everyone that you can't accept

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anything at face value

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well the one thing about carrie is he

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did issue an apology

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but then there was a report that he only

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did that apology what on the advice of

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his lawyer or something well i didn't

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hear that well i know the apology was

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run in our forums it was published it

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seemed to be the kind of apology you'd

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expect that he understands

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this was the remains the mummified

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remains of a two-year-old boy we

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understand that now i just was running

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my calculator on my iphone as i was

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talking to you and the pay-per-view the

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streaming it was either fifteen dollars

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if you got it early or twenty dollars if

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you ordered it i guess on the day of i

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forget the conditions but let's just say

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the average price was fifteen dollars if

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one million people watched it that's 15

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million dollars

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one million now you add that to the gate

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receipts

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sixty five hundred seven thousand people

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pesos and as you say

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it is a multi-million dollar fare now i

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asked a lawyer

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about this whether there are some

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criminal possibilities here whether you

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the issue here the main issue here is

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did the people who participated not just

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were they aware

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that this was a hoax or was fake that

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wasn't what they thought it was going in

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you can't prove fraud based on being

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mistaken i don't think

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but if they knew it was a fraud going

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then maybe there's something there

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but doing it in mexico

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creates other complications number one

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if you want to sue them you have to go

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to mexico you can't sue them

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you know in washington dc maybe that's

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one thing there by putting it in mexico

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it made it difficult or impossible for

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world

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to go after them

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if the thing came falling apart

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but the other question i have is what

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were they thinking

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and the reason i ask this is they had to

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know or at least one or two of the

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people involved had to know

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that once high resolution slides got out

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it would be a matter of hours or days

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before it was exposed

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how could they not know that

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i don't know it just it just really is

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another nail in the coffin as far as i'm

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concerned

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you know some people have been saying

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that this this may

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even taint the roswell case

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to the point where it's it's

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all the major work that's gone down the

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last 30 years is going to go down the

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drain i don't think that's the case i

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think roswell will always be roswell uh

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some people have said that

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between the alien autopsy fiasco in the

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mid 90s and and this particular

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saga

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that between the two the two uh

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hoaxes uh if you if you want to go that

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route uh that they may have tainted the

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case forever i again i don't really

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think so i think it's uh

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i think it's it's just

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it's tainted the field of ufology and

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there's got to be some sort of litmus

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test for for these types of uh events

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and in claims

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there's just there's got to be

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a way that we can

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nip these types of scenarios at the bud

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before they even begin

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i scratching my head trying to figure

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out a way to do that but

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it just makes me more and more reluctant

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to be associated with the field of

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ufology and i i just

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you know i'm just so

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you know so down on on

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you know so much uh that goes on in this

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field and

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and we sound like broken records i know

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about this but

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it's just really sad that um a lot of

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people who are hardworking honest are

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really attempting to do

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the work uh in a proper fashion

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are being overshadowed by pt barnum

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scenarios like this and

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and it's it's just it's like a salmon

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struggling upstream

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it's just it's very difficult to make

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any headway

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with the scientific community with

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um you know the fence sitters and the

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naysayers and the people that uh that

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just ignore the whole whole field

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because because of toxic events like

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this and and

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there's just no way that we're going to

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gain any kind of respectability in any

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academia and the scientific community uh

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if things like this continue it's just

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it it does

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so much more harm than good

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it does you know maybe certain people's

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pockets it does it does them good but

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that's that's really sad i i just it

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makes me more and more reluctant and

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medicine to get

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i just you know i chastise people and

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they say you call me a ufologist or

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introduce me as a ufologist it's just

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it's just an embarrassing term to me now

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i'm hoping here that maybe

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the people who work with the roswell

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slides research group will follow my

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suggestion and create a ufo truth squad

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and go out there and when necessary

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the fakes or at least check things out

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that are questionable or things out that

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and do a little research

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so we don't end up with something like

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this take it seriously and the other

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thing is this thing should have been

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open sourced from the day one as soon as

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we have the ndas and all that we knew

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something had to be wrong what isn't

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you know i can't tell you how many years

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i've known tim beckley we got together

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when we were teenagers as friends

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not friends we had a lot of fun

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i've known him now probably for 52 years

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ah

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wow

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that's almost as long as chris o'brien

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has been alive yeah it makes me feel

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like a whippersnapper

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well we're going to snap that whip

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chrissy watch out

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how did we meet tim

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jesus you expect me to remember that

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gene well probably at one of uh jim

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mosley's ufo meetings i i would imagine

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uh you know he had them every uh a

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couple of weeks at uh one of those cd at

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times square uh hotels where you could

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rent a banquet room in those days for uh

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25

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dollars and and i'm i'm sure we buy i

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saw greg barker ivan t sanderson

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uh you know admission in those days i

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think was 50 cents but if you knew jim i

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mean you could even get by then you know

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and uh

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without paying the 75 cents we probably

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met then and then of course we exchanged

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uh newsletters we exchanged scenes you

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had was it ufo

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report or something ufo reporter right

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this was before i

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sold off my few subscribers to jim

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mosley at social media

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well i did the same thing

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i had the interplanetary news service

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report

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and i had 1500 subscribers i had as many

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subscribers as apro had members actually

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you know in those days of course there

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was no quick copy places you had to

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pretty much print and collate and staple

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yourself i had a gestetner mimeograph

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machine everybody else had a a sears and

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roebuck machine that went for a hundred

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dollars or so mine was a little bit more

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expensive and in fact uh jerry clark cut

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the stencils for the first couple of

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issues of the of the newsletter although

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i don't guess he would probably want to

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admit that today but uh

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be that as it may uh we exchanged

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magazines for quite a while i i think we

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put out about maybe

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uh 15 issues before jim took it over and

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maybe you put out that many or or even

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more yours i think was a little bit more

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polished than mine wasn't yours offset

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well i met somebody at a science fiction

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convention

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i forget his name except he later became

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famous for sponsoring star trek

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conventions

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at that time he was a printer and he did

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me a favor

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as a result of which i got the printing

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done for far lower than i'd say

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otherwise

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did have the mimeograph machine i do not

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remember what brand it was it was

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something sold

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in a mail order catalog yeah and i don't

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remember what it was

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what happened to it or anything else but

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cutting stencils

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was absolutely totally a chore and the

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reason it was a chore is because you had

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to

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mistakes

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on it yes

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but you had to basically type

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on this

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crazy sheet and that sheet

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was used for mimeographing right and it

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didn't have fancy graphics or anything

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well you know they did get to the point

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actually where they had electronic

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stencils where for seven dollars you

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could get at least the newspaper

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clipping uh you know reproduced fairly

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uh well and of course it was messy my

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mother threw me out of the house uh if

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it were a crime scene my fingerprints

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would have been all over the wall you

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know it was very messy so i was

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vanquished to the

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to the back porch where of course in the

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wintertime it was freezing because there

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was no heat

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but we managed we managed to get the

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word out just as we continued to do

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today

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that was very interesting though

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the things we had to do to be a

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publisher now in jim's case he did what

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i later did which he took a typewriter

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he bought this electric typewriter for

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saucer news

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and he typed everything twice because he

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had to have

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justified columns that line up on both

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sides right and you think that's nothing

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in traditional printing or desktop

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publishing but remember

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this was before we had word processing

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and even then

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jim

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for the rest of his life

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always bought the same kinds of

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typewriters

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smith corona he never even bought an

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ibm's electric and he never bought a

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personal computer

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that is true and i don't believe he had

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an answering machine

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that's correct

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an or a tape recorder

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there is an interesting story about that

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okay now we all remember one of the

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pioneer early ufo groups

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it was nycap national investigations

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committee on aerial phenomena this is

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the one that was

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headed by major kehoe now his office

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manager in the 60s was richard hall who

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became fairly prominent in the ufo field

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but he was kind of a prickly sort

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and so on this one occasion jim mosley

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calls him up trying to be nice

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and hall says to jim

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are you taping this

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and jim says

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i don't even own a tape recorder no i'm

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not and then the words became more

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incensed

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and some of those words became ones that

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we cannot use on family radio

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prohibited by our network and therefore

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soon

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they hung up the phone on each other

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they couldn't stand each other

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and that formed this

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what do we call it

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this

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and that feud became so bad that one

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time i went to nicap headquarters after

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having a very pleasant conversation with

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donald kehoe at his home in lorraine

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virginia

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i went to washington dc

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to the headquarters of nycap with people

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you've heard on the show alan greenfield

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rick hillberg some others

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and as soon as he saw me knowing i was

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working with jim mosley he said

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richard hall you're not welcome here

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and then we have this movement you might

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remember this

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yes yes hall must fall

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remember that where i don't know who

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invented that term

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whether it was jim or it was me

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hall must fall

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he needs to be drummed out of nightcap

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because he's hurting the organization's

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credibility

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the organization the organization had

539
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,880
somewhat of a credibility problem to

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begin with in fact if you go back and

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you check the board of directors you

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will find that

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a lot of the people there had

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backgrounds uh military backgrounds and

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especially cia backgrounds now there are

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some people who uh would claim that the

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organization was actually being managed

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by the agency and and i think there is

549
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something to that now my

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beliefs have changed somewhat over the

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years you know because back when we were

552
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kids pretty much what was your uh

553
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your possible origins for ufos i mean

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the solutions for this of course the

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interplanetary disk idea was uh the most

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frequent frequently uh touted as as

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being the the origin the true origin of

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ufos they had to be coming here from

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some other planet or some other the

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solar system or some other star system

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right

562
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it's interesting how things have turned

563
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,559
around people start in the ufo field

564
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,559
these days or whatever we call

565
00:21:56,789 --> 00:21:54,720
the interest in ufos and they go back to

566
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spaceships whereas

567
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we young whippersnappers and we were

568
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really young in those years went the

569
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other way and went into 4d explanations

570
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and more complicated things like

571
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ultra-terrestrials i mean it was really

572
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different well you kept looking for

573
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,200
other solutions

574
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,159
but let's get back to nycap and the

575
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military connection

576
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of course the key was the fact that the

577
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board of governors of nycap had

578
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rear admiral roscoe henry hillenkotter

579
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who was the first head of the cia

580
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and that caused a few

581
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alarms to go off more to come tim

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beckley joining gene and chris you're in

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when tim and i get together folks we

692
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start talking

693
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about the past and we'll get to the

694
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,720
future what's going on but we're talking

695
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,799
about one of the major ufo organizations

696
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,640
of the 50s and 60s

697
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,039
they lobbied heavily for congressional

698
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hearings on ufos national investigations

699
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committee on aerial phenomena major keo

700
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,039
director richard hall the office manager

701
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,120
i guess in a sense kehoe believed and

702
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,080
maybe he was tone deaf that if he had

703
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,840
people in the military and some

704
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scientists on the board of directors

705
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they'd be

706
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,919
giving the organization more credibility

707
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,919
one of those was

708
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,720
helen cotter the first head of the c.i.a

709
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,640
now it happens that helen cotter and

710
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,679
kehoe

711
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,679
were old friends they went

712
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:09,520
to annapolis together

713
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,640
okay

714
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,320
so there were two

715
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,039
old soldiers who were close friends so

716
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,960
yeah why don't you join the organization

717
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,600
now helen caught her left after a while

718
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,120
and maybe he felt

719
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,960
you know he was mixed up in something he

720
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,039
shouldn't have been mixed up in that

721
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,120
caused i guess some consternation on

722
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,360
that part on the other hand

723
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,679
if you want to believe that nycap

724
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,080
was really some kind of military front

725
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,399
and i suppose you could believe that and

726
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,080
there was reason to think it was

727
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,919
possible wouldn't that be just too

728
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,080
obvious well you would think that but

729
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,880
who knows you know disinformation

730
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,480
rears its heads in

731
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,279
in many different ways i suppose but you

732
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,360
know my thinking on this has always been

733
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,600
the government of course would rather

734
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,840
have you not believe in in ufos but if

735
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,000
you're going to accept any you know any

736
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,720
belief system then you should accept the

737
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,559
idea that they're from outer space and

738
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,360
not from uh somewhere much closer to to

739
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,760
home uh and that's why i think you know

740
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,240
the this roswell uh crash thing has been

741
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,679
pushed on us for so many years because

742
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,679
it's somebody trying to prove

743
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:18,559
a particular point of view and you can't

744
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,720
do that in the ufo uh you know field you

745
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:22,880
can't decide well this is what i want

746
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,919
ufos to be so they're going to to be

747
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,399
this you've got to let it lead the way

748
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,480
not you lead the way and and that i

749
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,799
think is one of the big downfalls of the

750
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,640
field if you can really call it that is

751
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:36,880
because everybody is off in their own

752
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,200
direction trying to to prove their own

753
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,279
pet theory people always ask me well

754
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,600
what's what is my opinion about ufos and

755
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,760
i always say well it doesn't matter what

756
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,159
my opinion is gene ufos act

757
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,000
independently of my thinking or anybody

758
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,320
else's thinking and that's the root of

759
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,480
all the evil here is that people are

760
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,919
trying to prove their pet theory and you

761
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,520
can't do that you know because then you

762
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,120
could probably logically go out and

763
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,799
prove any theory that you possibly want

764
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,640
because there's probably a little bit of

765
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,559
fact that would prove almost anything

766
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,320
and the point that is what i've learned

767
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,360
after 50 plus years of

768
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,840
being involved in this field is that

769
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,840
you've got to remain open to all ideas

770
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,520
and a lot of people get into this

771
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,159
thinking that they are going to find a

772
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,559
solution to the ufo mystery and there

773
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,799
isn't a solution if there is a solution

774
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,279
it's certainly not one single singular

775
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,240
simple solution it's many solutions it's

776
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,080
a mystery and i think it's been a

777
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,600
mystery for thousands of years and i

778
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,919
think it will be a mystery long after

779
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,039
you and i have gone on into the heavenly

780
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,360
realms so i take it by what you say is

781
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,240
that the ufos are not necessarily

782
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,559
visitors from other planets or maybe

783
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,039
that's one of many solutions yeah if if

784
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:50,640
there have been visitors here from other

785
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,600
planets

786
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,320
they've perhaps come and gone

787
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,080
uh you know they wouldn't be showing up

788
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,720
every day over uh you know tulsa

789
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,039
oklahoma or over uh

790
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,760
bridgeport connecticut or or

791
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,840
these small little towns and and

792
00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:08,240
desolate out of the way uh places and

793
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:09,520
contacting

794
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,159
people who are probably on the fringe to

795
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,760
begin with not to say that some of these

796
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,720
experiences maybe are not uh real but

797
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,200
there there is no pattern you know we're

798
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,880
looking jacques valet and these people

799
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,240
are looking for a pattern but there is

800
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:24,399
no real pattern i mean you can throw

801
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,399
almost every pattern out the the window

802
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,600
because

803
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,200
as soon as you think you have a pattern

804
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,200
something else comes along remember back

805
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,640
what was it in the 1950s um gene and

806
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,320
chris you're there right

807
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,880
i am here well this might be uh before

808
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,720
you were involved in any of this uh

809
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,799
chris but do you remember the uh the

810
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,799
straight line theory what was that

811
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:47,440
called do you remember i'm a michelle uh

812
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,559
amy michelle you're you're you're those

813
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,159
in the straight line mystery

814
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,760
yes but they had a they actually even

815
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:54,240
had a name for what it was called and

816
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:55,760
and i can't remember what it was offhand

817
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,919
but that was big for a long long time

818
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,279
and somehow the straight straight-line

819
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,960
mystery proved that they were from mars

820
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,320
i think and i don't even know how he

821
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,320
came up with that idea and you never

822
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:06,000
even hear anybody talk about that

823
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,120
anymore

824
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,880
well we hear about the the ley lines

825
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:10,240
which are straight lines well i don't

826
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,840
think that had anything i don't think

827
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,200
that happens he's come up with the

828
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,120
theory that uh sightings seem to be

829
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,440
centered around the 37th uh latitude

830
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,559
line which i think is a little bit of a

831
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,360
leap but uh ufo sightings happen at

832
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,360
every year at longitude and latitude i

833
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:26,880
mean

834
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,799
when you when you can pinpoint and say

835
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,279
here are where ufo sightings are are the

836
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,760
most prevalent they will disappear there

837
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,960
and show up uh you know 2 000 miles away

838
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,279
and of course in in those days outside

839
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,399
of april

840
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,000
uh those days i mean we're talking about

841
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,399
the 50s and 60s in those days nobody

842
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,399
even considered that this was a global

843
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,760
uh mystery ufos were supposed to be just

844
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,600
you know something that happened here

845
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,919
were observed here in the united states

846
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,080
because obviously we had a lot of

847
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,919
degenerates and crackpots running around

848
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:01,440
or something i don't know people with

849
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,840
mental illnesses or did alcoholics or

850
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,519
whatever whatever people whatever the

851
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,760
skeptics would throw at you as being an

852
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,360
explanation for what people look lots of

853
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,840
trailer parks trailer parks well i don't

854
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,200
even know i don't know if that's true

855
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,679
drive-in theaters were big for a while

856
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:17,600
uh in fact members of my family had a

857
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:19,360
sighting over at the drive-in theater

858
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,559
because i guess

859
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,000
again people are outside and they're

860
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,919
looking at the you know the night sky

861
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,600
and uh running to get hot dogs and

862
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,600
popcorns and watching some zombie movies

863
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,480
so uh that's a very good place to see

864
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,919
see a ufo and there were a lot of

865
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:34,000
sightings around um

866
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,640
around drive-ins and also in

867
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,960
just in regular parks national parks and

868
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,120
places like that because people people

869
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,480
are outdoors if you're sticking your

870
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,720
head inside you're not very likely to

871
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,519
see anything unless it lands on your uh

872
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,399
you know back deck or something

873
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,720
so therefore just any place where people

874
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:54,960
were outside and maybe have the chance

875
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,519
to look up this of course is a time

876
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:59,360
when people were not looking down at

877
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:01,840
their smartphones or their tablets

878
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,200
or or their 40-inch tv assets or or

879
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:06,559
or their skype

880
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,679
or or any or or any or reading our books

881
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,000
for example i don't know yeah i guess

882
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,520
but you know people still have signings

883
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,280
uh uh there are a lot of sightings today

884
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,720
are made by truckers because they're out

885
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,760
on the road

886
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,399
and uh out by uh campers uh there have

887
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,399
been any number of supposed abductions

888
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,760
that have taken place while people were

889
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,440
out you know camped out and

890
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,839
weird things uh happened to him

891
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,760
let's go to the productions here and i

892
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,440
assume the first abduction you heard

893
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,280
about was barney and betty hill right

894
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:35,200
tim

895
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,720
i would guess that was certainly the

896
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,800
most popular one you know in our

897
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,800
magazine the interplanetary news service

898
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,960
report we published a lot of fringe

899
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,720
stuff that nobody else would actually

900
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,879
handle i mean i was never particularly

901
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,359
interested in uh in lights of the sky

902
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,280
except for the the things that i saw

903
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,280
myself you know i always figured that

904
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,760
this was a pretty much ground level uh

905
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,000
phenomena and if you were ever going to

906
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,000
come up with a uh you know like an

907
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,560
explanation for it you had to look uh

908
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,800
you know below treetop level and not up

909
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,200
in the up in the sky i mean even today

910
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,240
people are uh wowed and awed by all

911
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,520
these uh

912
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,520
postings on

913
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,560
youtube

914
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,240
and you know we have some very good i

915
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,960
have my own youtube channel it's uh mr

916
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,040
ufo secret files we've got some pretty

917
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:22,880
good interviews i mean i would go around

918
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,920
the country and uh take my video camera

919
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,599
with me in fact i did a

920
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,359
tape of chris on his front porch

921
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,440
unfortunately the tape got all raveled

922
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,599
and i was never able to use it but i had

923
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,640
you know ted phillips and and tom dango

924
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,320
and some very interesting you know on

925
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,079
the uh on the road type of interviews

926
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,160
that i did and i was putting him on disc

927
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:44,079
and setting him out free with our books

928
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,160
and all i decided well i'll start a

929
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:48,560
youtube uh you know a channel and and

930
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,760
get it up there

931
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,359
you know i mean this

932
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,280
it's all below treetop level i mean

933
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:54,800
things that happened in the sky are just

934
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,400
not never really have been an interest

935
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,640
to me and if you look at all these uh

936
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,560
videos that are posted

937
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,240
most of them shot with a

938
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,599
smartphone or something so they're not

939
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:05,200
going to be very good anyway

940
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,560
they don't prove anything they prove

941
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,560
that there are lights in the sky and for

942
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,240
thousands of years

943
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,000
we've seen lights in the sky and you

944
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,359
can't it's like the roswell uh uh alien

945
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,480
mummy slides you can't prove that that

946
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,400
they're anything because they're slides

947
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,839
and if there are lights in the sky again

948
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,960
that's what you come up with those

949
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,720
lights in the sky it's getting into more

950
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:27,119
lights in the sky and things that aren't

951
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,320
so light

952
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,079
we got a lot more to come with our old

953
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,440
friend tim beckley mr ufo

954
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,119
maybe that's presumptuous but that's

955
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:37,280
what some people call him with gene and

956
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957
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[Music]

1059
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,160
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

1060
00:41:10,610 --> 00:41:08,160
encyclopedia in other books you're

1061
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:10,620
listening to the peercast

1062
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,160
[Music]

1063
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,839
tim beckley of global communications

1064
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,440
interplanetary news service and

1065
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:23,359
all these other names that he's used

1066
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,760
over the years he's also published

1067
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,920
about 200 books

1068
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:29,200
and the reason i mentioned that is

1069
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,440
because when we were posting some

1070
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,319
information about the interview on our

1071
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,200
forums at forum.thepowercast.com

1072
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,800
i mentioned some of the authors and a

1073
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,240
few of them are friends of the show

1074
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,319
people you've heard on the show before

1075
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,000
certainly you've heard

1076
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:47,359
people like nick redfern for example

1077
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,520
he's been on the show frequently and

1078
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,160
he's even in the past served as a

1079
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,000
guest co-host

1080
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,240
and we've also mentioned people like

1081
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,520
sean casteel and tim schwartz and brad

1082
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,920
steiger and all that oh yeah but in the

1083
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,000
early days you publish

1084
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:06,000
some books from some people that we

1085
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,119
would call

1086
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,839
wackos or to use the term that the late

1087
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,319
long john neville used on his radio show

1088
00:42:16,589 --> 00:42:14,640
in the early days of talk radio he

1089
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,599
called the crazy people

1090
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,599
whack-a-ding-hoy or he did indeed yes

1091
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,319
well you know gene i'm not sure exactly

1092
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,480
what authors you're referring to per

1093
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,040
perhaps somebody like tilam singh grampa

1094
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,960
who remains immensely popular in fact if

1095
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,040
i could find ufo authors that were

1096
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,720
popular even today as much as t

1097
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,079
lomzagrampa

1098
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,319
would be the ufo books would sell much

1099
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,800
much better than they uh do

1100
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,200
let's just interrupt here now this

1101
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,079
fellow is somebody who

1102
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,920
is no longer alive obviously that's

1103
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,599
correct all right

1104
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,720
who was he why would he be so popular

1105
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:55,119
okay well the story goes is that he was

1106
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,640
actually a british plumber he felt a

1107
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:01,760
british plumber plumber that's correct

1108
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,800
he fell off a ladder or a stool one day

1109
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,760
and when he regained consciousness

1110
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,200
his body

1111
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,480
or his spirit had been taken over by a

1112
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:14,720
tibetan llama by the name of t lom singh

1113
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,160
rampa now this may sound odd or or

1114
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,040
bizarre or very peculiar you think

1115
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,160
especially okay well uh yes and no it

1116
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,280
probably was back in the

1117
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,880
1950s when he put out his first book

1118
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,440
called the third eye but today they're

1119
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,280
known as walk-ins

1120
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,200
these are people who claim that they are

1121
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,680
actually here from

1122
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,520
some other place some other star system

1123
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,599
some other world some other dimension

1124
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,200
out to do a job

1125
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,240
or a a chore to raise the consciousness

1126
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,200
of the of the of the planet now a lot of

1127
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:50,960
these people and we can get into this in

1128
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,920
a while too are musicians and actors and

1129
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:56,800
and rock stars and celebrities jimi

1130
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,079
hendrix being one mark boland uh being

1131
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,359
another uh a person along along this

1132
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,000
line uh i just did a book called shirley

1133
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,560
mclean meets the palladians the amazing

1134
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,640
flying saucer experiences of celebrities

1135
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,560
rock stars and the rich and famous and

1136
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,760
this is a very uh prevalent uh theme

1137
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,680
that these people are here doing some

1138
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,720
mature to raise the spiritual vibrations

1139
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,720
of the planet either through music or

1140
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,680
entertainment or their writing and so

1141
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,040
you can't you know if you believe in

1142
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,359
that concept at all or the concept of

1143
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:31,920
reincarnation it's really not that hard

1144
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,880
to to to follow this particular theme

1145
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,520
and in addition t lumps and grampa

1146
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,920
regardless of whoever he was was a

1147
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,839
terrific writer and that's something

1148
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,440
that's lacking actually genie you have

1149
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,680
to admit that in the ufo field outside

1150
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,480
of john keel and maybe jerry clark and

1151
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,359
nick redford the field is lacking really

1152
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,040
ivan t sanderson was a good writer of

1153
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,040
course great barker was immensely

1154
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,200
popular most of the writers are very

1155
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,000
dull as dishwaters in this field and the

1156
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,079
public is not going to pick up a book

1157
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,440
and pay you know 24.95 and put it back

1158
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,200
down because they find it very dull or

1159
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,079
statistical in addition to

1160
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,800
having solid information if you can't

1161
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,880
entertain people with a well-written

1162
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,920
book

1163
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,599
then you don't get your message across

1164
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,400
but that

1165
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,480
kind of mixes

1166
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,560
scientific information we hope it's

1167
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,440
scientific with entertainment oh okay

1168
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:27,280
well you know i don't claim to be a

1169
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,560
scientist i'm my background is that of a

1170
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,560
pretty much of journalism i was a

1171
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:35,119
stringer for the inquirer i published

1172
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:36,000
and

1173
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,000
probably 30 different titles everything

1174
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,640
from ufo universe which lasted for 11

1175
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,640
years and you did the the typesetting on

1176
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,560
that gene for most of that uh

1177
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,640
of that period but and as a matter of

1178
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,640
fact i did some editing on it i cleaned

1179
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,960
up your editing it was a combination i'm

1180
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,319
sure

1181
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,240
some of some of the writers certainly uh

1182
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,920
needed that and some of them didn't i

1183
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,119
mean we had a

1184
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,760
i look at my experiences in this field

1185
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,160
and and my lifetime of doing this in two

1186
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,720
ways first of all independently i have

1187
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,960
my own beliefs which i have a right to

1188
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,319
and people don't understand well some

1189
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,720
people say well how can you publish a a

1190
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,319
a book if this conflicts what you're

1191
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,560
thinking well i'm also think of myself

1192
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,040
as a successful publisher see so some

1193
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,760
books i publish to entertain

1194
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,760
myself i have books out there that i

1195
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,440
know when i publish are not going to

1196
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,520
sell a hoot those believe it or not gene

1197
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,520
are the most serious books the most

1198
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,359
serious what we would call the most

1199
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,280
serious books in the field are the ones

1200
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,359
that are likely to sell the least amount

1201
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,760
of copies the ones that tend to be a

1202
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:40,079
little bit more sensationalistic are the

1203
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,280
ones that

1204
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:43,839
people want to read about and still what

1205
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:46,480
is very big are what we would call spell

1206
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,920
casting books that have nothing to do

1207
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,880
with your ufos uh whatsoever every once

1208
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,280
in a while a ufo book will come along

1209
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,760
that people seem interested in like this

1210
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,440
one that we did recently called ufo

1211
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,599
repeaters the camera doesn't lie which

1212
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,359
is about people who seemingly have the

1213
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,520
ability to go out with their camera and

1214
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,040
take photographs of the sky and get

1215
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,119
unusual images on it some of it is

1216
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,319
psychic

1217
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,480
like the late stella lansing

1218
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,520
um

1219
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:13,359
betty hill even had the ability

1220
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,880
apparently she would go out at night and

1221
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,280
sit on a particular stretch of road

1222
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,480
where she thought that they might be

1223
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:21,119
coming back and and revisiting and she

1224
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:23,119
got some unusual phenomena on her camera

1225
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,560
well now i don't know whether it's a

1226
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,160
physical ship that she photographed from

1227
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,000
outer space or whether this is something

1228
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,079
that she psychically imprinted there but

1229
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,520
there are some people who have this

1230
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,079
uncanny uncanny ability to take

1231
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,000
photographs and when the film is

1232
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,240
developed uh there you know there's

1233
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,920
something that you can't explain and

1234
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,520
some of them do it over and over and

1235
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,920
over and obviously some of them probably

1236
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,800
are are hoaxes and a lot of them are not

1237
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:49,680
so i publish books because it entertains

1238
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:52,880
people uh i publish books because uh it

1239
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:56,079
educates uh people and so i refuse just

1240
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,200
to publish the things that i'm

1241
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,040
interested in which is no different than

1242
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,119
any other real publisher gene suppose i

1243
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,079
was uh you and i were uh publishing uh

1244
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:06,079
books for doubleday would we not take

1245
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,200
books that we thought would be

1246
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,200
profitable in stuff that perhaps would

1247
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,200
be against our political uh

1248
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,520
political or personal or social agenda

1249
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,839
yes we would because it's publishing and

1250
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,760
in this country one thing that almost

1251
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,680
everybody in this country can agree on

1252
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,599
is freedom of speech we may be on the

1253
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,440
left we may be on the right we may be on

1254
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,359
the center but boy when you take our

1255
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:27,599
freedom of speech away everybody seems

1256
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:30,800
to wear the same hat so the key here is

1257
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,680
if you feel a book is not overtly lying

1258
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,079
or making fraudulent claims

1259
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,559
and has sales potential you'll publish

1260
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,599
it

1261
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:41,359
yeah well that would that probably would

1262
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,640
have been uh

1263
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,480
you know 10 years ago gene because the

1264
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,119
book publishing business isn't uh what

1265
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,760
it used to be today to put today we put

1266
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,160
out most of our books are done in-house

1267
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,800
by uh you know a uh a number of writers

1268
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:56,720
that we've done used over the years like

1269
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,839
scott corrales uh tim schwartz sean

1270
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,359
castillo

1271
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,680
william kern you know it it it's people

1272
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,760
that we can rely on i look at a book now

1273
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,319
it's like putting out a magazine because

1274
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,079
most books are self-published now to be

1275
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,760
honest with you because big publishers

1276
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,520
won't touch them it's not the market

1277
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:14,960
anymore you know if you can put out a

1278
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,000
book and sell a couple of hundred uh

1279
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,079
copies you're doing very good most

1280
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,319
publishers even legitimate publishers

1281
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,880
are now asking uh authors to pay to get

1282
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:26,400
their books published

1283
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,480
and i was surprised at the number of uh

1284
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:30,079
of publishing companies that was doing

1285
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,040
that

1286
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,559
well of course you do have

1287
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,280
self-publishing capabilities that create

1288
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,359
space which is from amazon yes and the

1289
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,880
way they do it is what they call print

1290
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,280
on demand let me explain this they call

1291
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,000
it print on demand what that means is

1292
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,119
you put the book up on amazon every time

1293
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:49,760
someone places an order they custom

1294
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,240
print it and mail it to your customer

1295
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,839
you don't have to keep an inventory you

1296
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,400
can i mean you could buy at a discount a

1297
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,559
number of copies of your book but lots

1298
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,640
of people do that real publishers not

1299
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,720
just individuals wanting to become

1300
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,880
publishers real publishers do this

1301
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,319
because they don't have to pay for the

1302
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,319
inventory they don't have to put a lot

1303
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,960
of money up front and as you mentioned

1304
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,440
in the old days book authors would get

1305
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,680
an advance against royalty so the

1306
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,280
publishers sales department would say

1307
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:18,480
you know what

1308
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,160
this book is going to earn that author

1309
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,599
five thousand dollars

1310
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,119
so we'll give them four thousand dollars

1311
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,720
and hedge our bets

1312
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,480
or something like that

1313
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a private bank having it led back at

1361
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this capitalism or was jefferson correct

1363
00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:30,640
when stating a central bank issuing the

1364
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public currency is a greater menace to

1365
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the liberties of the people than a

1366
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hi this is steve sanchez and based on a

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[Applause]

1396
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1397
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,359
standard of paranormal radio

1398
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:04,640
and now

1399
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:07,950
here's gene steinberg

1400
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:13,829
with gene and chris on the paracast we

1401
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,240
have the one the only tim beckley who

1402
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:19,200
claims to have published over 200 books

1403
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,400
and we mentioned that some of those

1404
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,319
books maybe you don't agree with

1405
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,319
and a lot of those books are by people

1406
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,319
that we know on the show such as scott

1407
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,760
corrales and

1408
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,480
nick redfearn and people like that of

1409
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,160
all the books that you've published tim

1410
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:34,559
beckley looking back over a long history

1411
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,800
of publishing which does go back

1412
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,720
around 50 years or so because you

1413
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:41,359
started that as a teenager

1414
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,520
what book or books are you most proud of

1415
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,400
oh boy well of course i have my own two

1416
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,119
books on the uh the men in black

1417
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,280
which is the ufo silencers and the other

1418
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,640
one is the

1419
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,520
men in black ufo terrorists amongst us i

1420
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,920
did a couple of books by jenny randalls

1421
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,000
one well actually i published tell us

1422
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:04,400
about jenny randall she's still around

1423
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,599
still active but a lot of people in this

1424
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,000
day and age do not remember who she is

1425
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,359
well she's

1426
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,520
one of the top british ufo uh

1427
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,880
researchers

1428
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,280
she writes a regular column for the the

1429
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,960
14 times

1430
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:20,559
she's probably i would guess the nick

1431
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,559
redford of british ufo uh writers i

1432
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,160
would assume that she's done well over

1433
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:28,559
100 books on the subject but the book

1434
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,800
that we published of hers that i was

1435
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,119
most enthused about is called from out

1436
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:35,200
of the blue it was the first book

1437
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,839
published in the united states on the uh

1438
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:39,680
bette waters incident the rendal stream

1439
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,319
uh forest uh ufo uh landing case it sold

1440
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,119
reasonably well for a what i would call

1441
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,000
a nuts and bolts book and we did manage

1442
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,280
to sell the uh paperback rights to

1443
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,839
berkeley paperbacks now you know in the

1444
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,200
old days uh

1445
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,359
jean when you sold the paperback rights

1446
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:02,000
you could be short of selling 80 to 100

1447
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,359
000 copies

1448
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,480
uh by the time that we got into selling

1449
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:08,640
like paperback rights sales had gone

1450
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,240
down below the 20 000 mark and today

1451
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,960
they're probably almost non-existent i

1452
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,400
don't even think you could mention maybe

1453
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:18,799
a handful of books on the subject that

1454
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,799
are available in paperback because

1455
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,559
there's no place to sell them we had a

1456
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,400
big chain here in new york we still do

1457
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,960
called the walgreens and uh

1458
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,799
duane reed it's owned by the same owners

1459
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:29,839
you know it's a

1460
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,240
pharmacy although now they're selling uh

1461
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,960
more food and in in candy and and

1462
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,880
cookies and all that stuff than they are

1463
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,960
uh pharmaceuticals because they're here

1464
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,880
in the tourist you know area and people

1465
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:43,040
come in you know staying in the hotels

1466
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,559
and all here they want to bite eat at

1467
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:46,960
two o'clock in the in the morning but

1468
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,599
they had their entire basement at one

1469
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,760
time musta had something like two or

1470
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,079
three thousand paperback books they were

1471
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,599
rack after rack after rack of paperbacks

1472
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,520
and uh they had a small section on the

1473
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,760
occulted on ufos most of them were

1474
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,160
romance novels uh you know there was a

1475
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,400
big romance craze at one

1476
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,319
point there must have been five or six

1477
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,480
publishers that were putting out maybe a

1478
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,119
hundred books a a month on on romances

1479
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,440
mainly you know aimed at the young

1480
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,839
women's market and they sold very very

1481
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,920
well now if you go into the same

1482
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,559
pharmacies you might find one little

1483
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:24,960
rack of magazines

1484
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,280
and maybe the top 25 paperback books so

1485
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:32,000
that market is almost totally uh gone

1486
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,319
and of course bookstores has closed we

1487
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,319
used to publish gene when we put out a

1488
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,559
new title anywhere from maybe two to

1489
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,480
three thousand titles uh copies of a

1490
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,720
book now for that's not a major

1491
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,160
publisher they would do maybe ten

1492
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,839
fifteen twenty thousand copies but we

1493
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,000
had a little niche market i had a

1494
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,559
mailing list of about four thousand

1495
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,280
alternative uh metaphysical new age

1496
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,599
bookstores and that list is down to

1497
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,680
about maybe three or four hundred stores

1498
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:00,240
now and most of those stores uh keep in

1499
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,240
business by selling what we call

1500
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:05,280
sidelines incense oils what else uh

1501
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,880
talismans uh crystals and in in jewelry

1502
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:11,200
if you go into a bookstore along that

1503
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,599
line you might find a couple of hundred

1504
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:16,400
titles at uh at most so there are now

1505
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,280
more authors than there are readers for

1506
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,599
for books if you go to amazon and type

1507
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,119
in ufos

1508
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,280
uh i think i came up with a total of

1509
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:27,440
thirteen thousand books

1510
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,680
if you type in books about ghosts

1511
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,440
there's like seven or eight thousand

1512
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,240
books well how many people are going to

1513
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,280
amazon every day and looking for a book

1514
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:40,160
on on ufos uh correct maybe a couple

1515
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,599
hundred or something

1516
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,760
like that i would assume and so how do

1517
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,119
they pick a book

1518
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,559
if you don't know the exact name of

1519
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:51,040
the title of a book or a uh of a

1520
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:52,559
particular author that you're looking

1521
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,359
for

1522
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:54,559
who knows what's going to come to the

1523
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,960
surface you know it's probably uh

1524
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,720
something you know some author who's

1525
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,040
taken uh a couple of months to rewrite

1526
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,200
something that the chris and i have

1527
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,280
already written 10 years ago it's just a

1528
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,799
leap of faith today to go out and try to

1529
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:08,480
buy a book almost on any subject

1530
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,480
especially along this line and come up

1531
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,520
with something where you're really going

1532
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:13,839
to learn something by that's why i tell

1533
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,440
people go to amazon and type in

1534
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,359
interlight dash global communications

1535
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,040
and you'll see over 200 covers and you

1536
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:20,960
can make a selection there make up your

1537
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,960
own mind some are serious books they're

1538
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,640
books they're books of all kind and i

1539
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,000
think they're of value to some people

1540
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,240
but enough about books and uh oh you

1541
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,319
know what i did want to mention gene uh

1542
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,040
is you know it's the 51st anniversary of

1543
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,240
the national ufo uh congress uh coming

1544
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,359
up this year

1545
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:39,280
and for the first time in many years

1546
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:40,960
there's actually going to be a public

1547
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,200
meeting held in cleveland ohio under the

1548
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:44,960
auspices of our long time friend rick

1549
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:47,680
hillberg tell people about this because

1550
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,400
i was involved in the early

1551
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,640
establishment of this event well i

1552
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:54,559
believe uh we were we're still on the

1553
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,160
national organizing committee jim mosley

1554
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,119
i guess is the legitimate founder of the

1555
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,920
uh of the movement but basically it was

1556
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:05,680
also the cleveland crowd it was rick

1557
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,880
hillberg

1558
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:08,400
al manning

1559
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,760
and uh

1560
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,319
late dale rettig dale redding that's

1561
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:15,119
correct and ron pelger i believe was the

1562
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,839
fellow's name and even ed biebel to some

1563
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,760
degree and alan greenfield

1564
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:21,760
and and so most of us have not been

1565
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,960
together in many many many years

1566
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,960
the actual last public meeting was held

1567
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:28,640
in los angeles

1568
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:31,359
with the jim mosley and uh

1569
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,119
lisa i don't remember what her name was

1570
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:36,240
offhand but she was going to carry the

1571
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,000
the torch of the organization and she

1572
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,319
did it for about three years and then it

1573
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:42,960
fell apart and that seemed to be the end

1574
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:45,520
of it until this last year when uh

1575
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:47,119
everybody decided well we're getting up

1576
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,119
there in age and we should

1577
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,359
uh continue on with the organization and

1578
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,440
see how our our beliefs and our ideas

1579
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,440
and our theories and and our research

1580
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:57,839
into this uh have changed over the years

1581
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,880
so on june 19th to the 22nd there will

1582
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,599
be the 51st reunion of the national ufo

1583
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,240
conference in cleveland and it's

1584
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,480
honoring the real gray barker i

1585
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,040
understand that's the theme of the uh

1586
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,200
of the program now i don't know if there

1587
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,160
are how many actual formal uh speeches

1588
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,559
uh there will be a given i guess it's

1589
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,960
kind of open uh you know open forum for

1590
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,280
people that want to get up and and chat

1591
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,760
and discuss all these uh subjects but if

1592
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,440
you just go to google and you type in

1593
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:29,440
national ufo conference you'll get all

1594
01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:31,280
the information and i don't think

1595
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,040
there's any charge to get in or anything

1596
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:35,200
there's a nominal fee for uh you know

1597
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,480
like a uh cocktail uh hour you know uh

1598
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,040
what it's not an open bar it's a public

1599
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:43,119
bar you know and uh and maybe a little

1600
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,720
dinner or something together with all

1601
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,960
the the group and we're hoping to see a

1602
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,319
lot of people that we haven't seen in

1603
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,599
many years uh to show up for this uh

1604
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,680
meeting on the that stretches from the

1605
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,160
19th to the 22nd and gene we're

1606
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,839
certainly hoping you will be there

1607
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,440
well of course i don't travel much these

1608
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,520
days because i don't cast reflections so

1609
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:03,920
they can't get a photo id of me because

1610
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,760
i don't exist but all seriousness aside

1611
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,000
i'll consider it okay yes

1612
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,680
i'm actually going to take the train

1613
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,000
believe it or not uh make sure the train

1614
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,319
doesn't go over 50 miles an hour on

1615
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,160
curves yeah yeah you know

1616
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,240
years ago jean i was the editor talk

1617
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,920
about editing different magazines i was

1618
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,520
the editor of a magazine called front

1619
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,680
page disasters

1620
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,760
and i actually enjoyed doing that i was

1621
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:30,240
kind of sad to see when the magazine uh

1622
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,839
folded after three or four issues

1623
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:33,440
because it was something that i was kind

1624
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:35,680
of into you know and i would manage to

1625
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,079
sneak like one article an issue into the

1626
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:39,680
magazine that had something to do with

1627
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:40,400
the

1628
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,040
bermuda triangle uh i did an article on

1629
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,799
uh this uh

1630
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,280
troop uh world war one that walked into

1631
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,440
a cloud and was never seen again i think

1632
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,319
um uh something about like two or three

1633
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,240
thousand soldiers in australia that

1634
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,319
walked into a cloud bank so every issue

1635
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,920
i would put something you know different

1636
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:03,760
in the front page disaster to kind of

1637
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,480
give it a little bit of a flavor

1638
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,640
and you know i did uh i did some

1639
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,200
research on which was the

1640
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,520
uh the worst form of of travel as far as

1641
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:14,960
accident you know safety and accidents

1642
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:18,079
went and uh eliminating car accidents

1643
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,839
which of course are a gas leak they

1644
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,520
happen to have seems like every minute

1645
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,760
or two somewhere in the country it was

1646
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,280
the train the train was the worst in the

1647
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:27,119
bus and it certainly was far

1648
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,559
uh more unsafe than the um

1649
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,880
the airplane well you know what at this

1650
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,839
point

1651
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:35,680
i have to decide what i'd like to ride

1652
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:38,400
on anymore i'm hoping for the stargate

1653
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:40,160
we've got tim beckley with gene and

1654
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,109
this is a nationwide announcement for

1655
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,599
consumers owing back taxes to the irs

1656
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,359
the slowdown in the u.s economy is

1657
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,200
forced renewed action by the internal

1658
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:57,520
revenue service the irs is now accepting

1659
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,720
reduced settlement amounts from

1660
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,960
qualifying consumers who owe back taxes

1661
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,480
if you're eligible your back tax

1662
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,920
settlement may be discounted by

1663
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,680
thousands of dollars a specially

1664
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,200
assigned national hotline has been

1665
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,280
directly routed to defense tax group

1666
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,799
consumers may now call and check their

1667
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,720
eligibility for a significant tax debt

1668
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,799
reduction financial stability is a major

1669
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:16,640
priority during the slow economy so

1670
01:04:21,150 --> 01:04:18,400
you're advised to dial this national

1671
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,160
hotline number now

1672
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,440
800-678-4191 if you owe more than ten

1673
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,039
thousand dollars in back taxes to the

1674
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,920
irs you may now find significant relief

1675
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,680
you could save thousands of dollars if

1676
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:32,000
you qualify call now and get free vital

1677
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,280
information and to check your

1678
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:35,200
eligibility for a significant tax debt

1679
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,039
reduction call the defense tax group now

1680
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,799
forty one 800-678-4190 one that's eight

1681
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:43,280
hundred six seven eight forty one ninety

1682
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,760
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1683
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,599
one ninety one making the right

1684
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,920
decisions is a challenge to investors

1685
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,599
are we going to see economic growth

1686
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:53,280
slide into a recession or at worst

1687
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:55,599
depression hi ted anderson from midas

1688
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,440
resources we all know when a company

1689
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,280
acts here responsibly divesting

1690
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,960
ourselves in a move towards safety is

1691
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,960
prudent when the market becomes volatile

1692
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:05,200
us treasuries are a safe haven but what

1693
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,880
do you do when the us government

1694
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,200
overextends itself and spends beyond its

1695
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,200
means many investors are turning toward

1696
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,280
gold as a common sense alternative to

1697
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,440
traditional paper investments midas

1698
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:17,200
resources has put together a powerful

1699
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,200
book titled 10 reasons to own gold

1700
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,520
discussing costs benefits risks

1701
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,359
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1702
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:25,440
weights and measures the book is free

1703
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,599
and can be yours by calling 800-686-2237

1704
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,680
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1705
01:05:38,510 --> 01:05:34,319
6 000 year history discover how gold may

1706
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,520
be right for you and your ira by calling

1707
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,039
800-686-2237 whether buying or it's time

1708
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:43,200
for you to sell the book is free call

1709
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[Music]

1710
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,870
hey neighbor what are you doing digging

1711
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:59,280
you had a heart attack last year

1712
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,000
oh i know i was told no more hard labor

1713
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:04,000
then why are you digging well i've been

1714
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,160
taking extendovite it's been approved to

1715
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,799
help my heart extendovite is that a new

1716
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:09,920
drug

1717
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:14,240
herbal combination made from garlic and

1718
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:17,359
cayenne herbal how can that help well

1719
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,799
actually we've taken herbs for thousands

1720
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,799
of years and extendovite is doing the

1721
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,200
job for me does your doctor know about

1722
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,680
extendovite yeah my doctor knows and he

1723
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:27,200
said it seems to be working for you so

1724
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,280
don't stop taking it i feel great taking

1725
01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:31,440
extendovite i don't want to stop to

1726
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:40,390
1-877-928-8822-1-877-928-8822 or visit

1727
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:42,670
our website at heartdrop.com

1728
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,750
the irs is a private corporation not a

1729
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,000
government agency income tax is

1730
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:56,720
collected by voluntary compliance to

1731
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:59,599
learn to unvolunteer or discontinue

1732
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:02,640
volunteering into the irs visit escape

1733
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:05,359
harassment dot com and immediately

1734
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,240
implement strategy one the process must

1735
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:10,960
be repeated each and every time paper

1736
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:14,640
letter envelope presentment etc always

1737
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,119
and forever failure equates to

1738
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,599
acceptance subsequent resultant contract

1739
01:07:24,750 --> 01:07:22,079
and you pay or go to jail by your own

1740
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:24,760
consent and agreement contract avoid

1741
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:27,440
re-contracting visit escape harassment

1742
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:30,240
dot com and implement strategy one

1743
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,520
immediately

1744
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:33,440
bar lawyers and accountants won't help

1745
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,480
you why wait get strategy one and

1746
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:38,720
immediately implement it to divorce the

1747
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:41,680
irs today and forever that's escape

1748
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:44,480
harassment dot com strategy one to be

1749
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,599
free from the irs escape harassment dot

1750
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,029
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1751
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:55,520
comment or question about the paracast

1752
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,039
send it to news at the paracast.com

1753
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,319
that's news at theparecast.com

1754
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,160
and don't forget to visit our famous

1755
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:06,640
paracast community forums at

1756
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:13,029
let's focus on some serious stuff here

1757
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,599
because before we had you on tim beckley

1758
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,080
chris and i were referring to the fact

1759
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:21,279
that people these days might actually be

1760
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,319
embarrassed to call themselves ufo

1761
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,799
investigators or ufologists

1762
01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:29,040
i guess you can understand especially

1763
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,759
the taint of certain recent events

1764
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:33,839
but of course roswell's slides or as i

1765
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:36,159
call it slide gate there's nothing new

1766
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:38,960
in the 1990s we had the santilli

1767
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,199
episode the alien autopsy we had mj 12

1768
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:45,040
in the 80s i know some people think it's

1769
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,080
genuine

1770
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,400
a lot of people don't so

1771
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,359
with that do you feel also that the ufo

1772
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,560
field has been made toxic oh boy

1773
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,480
see i i've kind of i've kind of grown up

1774
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,560
a little bit different than this i i

1775
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,239
have a lot of other things that i do in

1776
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,199
in in life besides chase ufos i was in

1777
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,199
the pub in the publishing business i

1778
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,440
promoted rock and roll bands for uh

1779
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,560
quite a number of years i've done horror

1780
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,719
movies you know so i've done a lot of

1781
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:14,400
things and you know people always

1782
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:17,359
respected me for being a creative person

1783
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,880
i don't think over the years more than

1784
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,640
maybe two or three people ever came up

1785
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:22,560
to me and said you're a flake or a

1786
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:25,839
crackpot or a a looney tune i never

1787
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,040
pushed it on uh anybody if they were

1788
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,440
interested in it i would tell them about

1789
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,839
the the subject and you know something a

1790
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,440
lot of people are interested in it

1791
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:37,279
especially like musicians and stuff you

1792
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,719
know i'd have conversations with them

1793
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,960
and they're pretty intelligent uh people

1794
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,400
for the most lot you know even

1795
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,480
celebrities that i would uh interview

1796
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:46,400
for the inquirer a lot of them when the

1797
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,319
formal conversation was finished or the

1798
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,239
i was finished interviewing them they

1799
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,080
would ask me questions and i'd end up

1800
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,839
hanging around a half an hour or an hour

1801
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,520
longer than the interview was supposed

1802
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:57,280
to last because they were interested in

1803
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,199
what i had to say as well as i was

1804
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,120
interested in what they were telling me

1805
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,719
so i've never felt that stigma of being

1806
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,280
a um just a ufo researcher even the

1807
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,880
people that i published the magazines

1808
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,040
for like ufo universe you know was was

1809
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:13,520
part of a very big publishing empire uh

1810
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,560
it was

1811
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,400
goodman publishing that was the original

1812
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:18,560
name of it but they had at one point

1813
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:19,920
something like uh

1814
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,320
40 different magazines and ufo universe

1815
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,400
was just one of them and then we did

1816
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,320
if you remember gene a few spin-offs

1817
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,520
there was uh

1818
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:30,880
ufo files and unsolved ufo sightings and

1819
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,600
all

1820
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,679
and they were publishers you know and

1821
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,600
and they were they were hot on ufo

1822
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:37,040
universe because

1823
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,000
at least it usually broke even it was an

1824
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,320
inexpensive magazine to put out at least

1825
01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:44,719
it usually broke even so that's why you

1826
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,640
paid me so little to put it together

1827
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,640
yeah well today

1828
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,360
gene today you would get far less

1829
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,040
because everybody is doing their own

1830
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,000
type setting or or doing it for a very

1831
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,800
very cheap and nobody pays for material

1832
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,960
at least gene we paid for stories we

1833
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:02,480
paid a hundred hundred and fifty dollars

1834
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,360
for an article right today nobody pays i

1835
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:06,800
can't think of a magazine chris do you

1836
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:09,040
know of a magazine uh that pays for

1837
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,679
material outside of maybe 14 times you

1838
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,600
know that's a good question i i really

1839
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,000
don't think so i write for uh the world

1840
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,080
explorers club magazine and i don't get

1841
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,239
paid of course i it's kind of a

1842
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,880
column that i have but uh yeah it's i

1843
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,679
it's

1844
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,159
people like sean castille and antonio

1845
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,159
hinayas who

1846
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:30,080
wrote for many many magazines and did

1847
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,679
articles for many magazines would have a

1848
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:33,600
hard time making a living now i keep

1849
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:35,040
sean uh busy

1850
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,560
antonio has

1851
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,360
kind of disappeared on us yeah i did i

1852
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,000
did speak to him uh recently you know he

1853
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,040
was uh working for open mind uh the open

1854
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,960
mind people the magazine and doing a

1855
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:48,640
very good job because he certainly had a

1856
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:52,159
um a huge inventory of of material

1857
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:54,400
especially when it comes to to foreign

1858
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,600
researchers

1859
01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:58,080
he was very you know very articulate he

1860
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:59,679
he did a lot of good interviews and all

1861
01:12:02,070 --> 01:12:01,120
and then he just kind of disappeared

1862
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:02,080
from the

1863
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,880
well i don't know exactly but i i guess

1864
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,280
he he was let go from the magazine just

1865
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,159
because of financial circumstances there

1866
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,400
before they folded you know it at one

1867
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,159
point they were going to pay i remember

1868
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,840
when i walked into their office they

1869
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,760
were going to pay outlandish sums of

1870
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,320
money for uh articles and of course i

1871
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,480
was very excited about that but by time

1872
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,800
i got around to uh writing an article

1873
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,800
the the price that they paid was

1874
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:31,280
reasonable but was far far less than

1875
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,280
what they had originally talked about

1876
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,040
they were going great guns but they knew

1877
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:36,960
nothing about publishing i mean they

1878
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,280
just didn't have a uh a clue about

1879
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,120
distribution the only place you could

1880
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:43,280
ever find the magazine was in barnes and

1881
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:45,920
noble if you look very carefully for it

1882
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,400
no promotion or advertising on it

1883
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,400
whatsoever outside of their own

1884
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,600
uh little uh click there also too the

1885
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,520
thing that i told them is that you don't

1886
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,520
have to put out a magazine that is

1887
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:00,560
glossy like that in order to sell copies

1888
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:03,520
to the ufo base you have to present them

1889
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:06,400
with material that's new different and

1890
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:09,679
exciting and not the same old stories uh

1891
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,840
you know issue after issue and they

1892
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:13,679
don't care about seeing the billy meyer

1893
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,920
photographs again and so most of these

1894
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:18,080
magazines are pumped up with pictures

1895
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,120
that are

1896
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,520
30 years old you know i mean they're

1897
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,199
they're printing the same and i was kind

1898
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,800
of guilty of that too because there

1899
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,320
really aren't that many good ufo

1900
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,840
photographs you know people would call

1901
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,520
me on the phone or send me an email gene

1902
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:31,440
and they'd say oh i've got a great ufo

1903
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,000
photograph how much will you pay for 25

1904
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,679
bucks i mean

1905
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,080
look at even the the roswell slides

1906
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:40,159
there wasn't one paper that i know of in

1907
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,440
the united states that picked up an

1908
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,040
article on this and published the story

1909
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,280
on the on the subject let me tell you

1910
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:47,280
something here very interesting the

1911
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:49,840
huffington post apparently published an

1912
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,239
article but it was very shortly

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01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,280
withdrawn because of factual problems

1914
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,800
and you didn't know that until you

1915
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,880
searched roswell slides and you found

1916
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:00,719
the link to that particular article so

1917
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,480
you're right here maybe there was

1918
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:04,560
coverage with very little there was as

1919
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:06,800
far as i know it was covered

1920
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,239
in um on a new station in chicago where

1921
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,080
the originator of the slides uh the

1922
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:15,199
discover or the slides uh lives right

1923
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,679
there was not i even combed the mexican

1924
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:20,239
newspapers i did not see one single

1925
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:23,199
article about the uh

1926
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:25,040
the conference down there in the big

1927
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:26,080
stadium

1928
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,480
uh it was it was you know outside of the

1929
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,320
people now that we we see on the

1930
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,400
internet posting their harsh feelings

1931
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,480
about this it almost seems to have been

1932
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:37,199
a non-event uh outside of a few thousand

1933
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,320
people who

1934
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,560
staked their lives on on ufos that are

1935
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,640
fascinated by the subject i mention it

1936
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,920
to my friends they don't even know what

1937
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:45,840
i'm talking about well you know it's not

1938
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,640
that

1939
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:48,560
small because the attendance was

1940
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,840
reported to be between 6 500 and 7 000

1941
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,800
people

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01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,719
in mexico city

1943
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:56,960
and maybe thousands tens of thousands

1944
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,199
and maybe a lot more

1945
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:01,040
paid for this

1946
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,440
on-demand or pay-per-view streaming

1947
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:04,960
session i don't believe so obviously

1948
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,440
people did see it yeah i don't i do not

1949
01:15:11,510 --> 01:15:09,520
believe gene that it was anywhere near

1950
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,520
that amount i would bet you it was under

1951
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,440
two thousand dollars on demand you know

1952
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,440
i searched for where i was going to pay

1953
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,840
to watch it i couldn't find it until

1954
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,760
after the event was over you couldn't

1955
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,360
even type it in and find out where it

1956
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:22,880
was streaming

1957
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,280
it wasn't it wasn't on like pay-per-view

1958
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,600
on your tv channel or anything like that

1959
01:15:31,350 --> 01:15:29,679
you had a hunt for the place to go and

1960
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,360
plunk your money down

1961
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,320
it was very very poorly organized to be

1962
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:36,960
to be uh honest with you and maybe there

1963
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:38,880
maybe there was a reason for that i

1964
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,159
don't know do you do you think that

1965
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:41,760
these guys really

1966
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:44,480
didn't know that that was a mummy i mean

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01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:48,880
it back on january 26 i posted on the

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01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,040
internet a photograph of a of a mummy uh

1969
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that looked almost identical to the the

1970
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roswell uh aliens

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and this was this was still while the

1972
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case was in its early you know where

1973
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they had announced i believe that you

1974
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know the may fifth would be the release

1975
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,880
date of this and i had seen maybe there

1976
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,560
was the grab shot was up there yet i

1977
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don't even remember and it was easy to

1978
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:13,840
track down because you know i've

1979
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traveled around this uh country i've

1980
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been to the the southwest i've been to

1981
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,480
arizona i've been to new mexico

1982
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,640
and alien mummies are kind of a dime a

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dozen well you know what with this is

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[Music]

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okay so tim beckley is not an alien

2089
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,560
mummy

2090
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,280
or an alien daddy but as he says these

2091
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,000
mummies are not uncommon the thing that

2092
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:22,560
bothers me when i look at this slide

2093
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,199
is it's in a display case

2094
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,360
with kind of a glass table

2095
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,040
and you see someone i guess a woman

2096
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:32,000
wearing a blue skirt and blouse was

2097
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,040
looking

2098
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,760
on it was behind it at least and you

2099
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,679
think here this was really an alien body

2100
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,440
number one it would be some kind of

2101
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,800
medical table

2102
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:43,920
number two any personnel visible

2103
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:46,000
in the photo would be wearing

2104
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:48,480
protective suits i mean what about alien

2105
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,840
viruses why didn't anyone ask such

2106
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:53,679
sensible questions

2107
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:56,320
well that's that's a uh that's the the

2108
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:57,920
most important question right there i

2109
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:59,440
don't know why anybody could not have

2110
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,560
seen this

2111
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,560
you know but again jaime musson and i

2112
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,320
don't want to say anything critical

2113
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:06,080
about anybody in the uh you know you

2114
01:22:10,229 --> 01:22:07,840
know what i feel in this case he

2115
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,239
deserves criticism okay and this isn't

2116
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:12,639
the first time that he pulled something

2117
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,920
like this back about two years ago

2118
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:17,760
bill shatner's people got in touch with

2119
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,320
me a bill was doing a show

2120
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:23,760
called william shatner weird or what

2121
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:25,840
they had and william shatner's case it's

2122
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,040
what it uh it was weird okay anyway they

2123
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:31,920
they had this um creature this supposed

2124
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:34,880
alien that had been caught in a trap

2125
01:22:40,350 --> 01:22:38,480
in mexico and jaime musan was touting

2126
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,360
this as being a real

2127
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:42,800
extraterrestrial that had been trapped

2128
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,679
and killed by a farmer who later died

2129
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:47,520
under mysterious circumstances he

2130
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:49,760
claimed as if a curse had been put on

2131
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,800
him supposedly they threw uh the alien

2132
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:54,800
and a vat of acid and it took its skin

2133
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:56,719
off and then somehow it got caught in

2134
01:23:03,350 --> 01:22:59,760
this trap well they managed to get

2135
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:03,360
scientists apparently to say that this

2136
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,880
was a real creature and that it was a

2137
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,040
possibly an extraterrestrial well they

2138
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:11,120
wanted me to come up to canada

2139
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,560
and to confirm this and you know i told

2140
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:16,719
them basically i said i have to draw the

2141
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:17,600
line

2142
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,800
somewhere i mean my credibility may be

2143
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:22,639
with some people on shaky ground as it

2144
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,679
is but i can only go so far so i said

2145
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,080
you know this is obviously not a

2146
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,920
extraterrestrial this is not something

2147
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,000
that traveled through space uh you know

2148
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,800
in any kind of flying disc and and

2149
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,880
landed here it's a

2150
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,600
being or a creature or

2151
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:42,080
something that's about maybe

2152
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,880
seven or eight inches tall perhaps uh

2153
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:46,400
later on some people said it was a

2154
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:47,840
shaven monkey but i don't know whether

2155
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,239
that's the case or not anyway i did go

2156
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:52,960
to canada and my theory was that it was

2157
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:55,040
not an extraterrestrial but it might

2158
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:57,440
have been a jinn which of course is the

2159
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:58,800
islamic

2160
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,760
equivalent of a of a demon of sorts and

2161
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,440
we've talked about this on the uh on the

2162
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,080
air before and we had some photographs

2163
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:08,639
that showed a correlation between this

2164
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,000
uh a creature in the trap and what a gin

2165
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,679
looks like so i was willing to go that

2166
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,440
far realizing that it was not an

2167
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,600
extraterrestrial and it possibly wasn't

2168
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,320
anything real at all and they did have

2169
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:22,480
on different explanations they had on

2170
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:25,120
the scientists who said uh that this had

2171
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,920
to be some sort of living being at one

2172
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,000
point and they had on somebody else who

2173
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,280
said it was basically uh a creature made

2174
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:35,520
up of many different uh animals you know

2175
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,560
that had been

2176
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,560
composited together

2177
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:40,239
and and put in the in the trap well i

2178
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:41,520
don't know what it was but it certainly

2179
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:43,440
wasn't an extraterrestrial and i can't

2180
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:46,000
believe how anybody with any academic

2181
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:47,600
credentials would go on the air like

2182
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,480
they did and say this was legitimate but

2183
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:52,560
if you remember gene even back with the

2184
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,679
alien autopsy uh video which certainly

2185
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:57,760
was a hell of a lot better than the

2186
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,120
roswell aliens here they they managed to

2187
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,199
get a scientist and they managed to get

2188
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:05,440
people with academic credentials and

2189
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:08,080
people in the entertainment business who

2190
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,080
came out and said well this could not

2191
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,400
possibly be a hoax it would be too

2192
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:14,960
expensive to to come up with a uh you

2193
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,159
know a

2194
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:18,239
an alien of this type and to record an

2195
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,639
autopsy well that's nonsense because

2196
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,400
i've been in the uh the entertainment in

2197
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,480
the film business for a long time i

2198
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,800
remember there was a guy many years ago

2199
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,480
gene his name was jack i can't remember

2200
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,880
what his last name was but he made money

2201
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:33,199
by buying the rights to movies that were

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01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:35,920
made in south america and bringing them

2203
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,080
over here and dubbing them into english

2204
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:40,639
and releasing them most of them were

2205
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,120
women in prison films now i don't know

2206
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:45,120
excuse me you mean like orange is the

2207
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,440
new black well this was a long time ago

2208
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,760
and these films were shown on mainly on

2209
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:51,920
times square and in secondary theaters

2210
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,000
and in drive-ins yes

2211
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,159
there was it has always been a very

2212
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,880
popular genre uh believe it or not and

2213
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:00,880
he would buy these films that were made

2214
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:02,719
in south america and bring him over here

2215
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,000
and edit them

2216
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:06,159
and add gruesome parts to it like knife

2217
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:09,040
scenes and and all that well

2218
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,560
if you remember years ago there was a

2219
01:26:15,030 --> 01:26:12,719
controversy over snuff films gene and

2220
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:15,040
whether they were legitimate or not well

2221
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,360
this guy bought a film in south america

2222
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:18,639
where women were being chased through

2223
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:21,760
the jungle uh you know by maniacs and so

2224
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,719
forth and and he tacked on a five-minute

2225
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,560
scene at the end where somebody was

2226
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,080
being snuffed out and they released it

2227
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,880
as being a legitimate film some people

2228
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,440
said oh it was impossible for anybody to

2229
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,679
have created this and how to be you know

2230
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,840
authentic a look at the women the woman

2231
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,520
they're gutting her on the table well it

2232
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,600
was a magician's trick gene they had her

2233
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,679
head sticking through you know a hole in

2234
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,000
the uh the bed that she was uh you know

2235
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,239
supposedly on and they they had a fake

2236
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,239
dummy that they that they cut up and and

2237
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:52,560
all and it was gruesome you know fake

2238
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,400
blood but of course the guy i talked to

2239
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:55,920
the guy it cost him like three thousand

2240
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:58,239
dollars to do so anybody who doesn't

2241
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,480
know anything about movies doesn't

2242
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:02,320
realize that really some of the stuff is

2243
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,639
very economical and cheap to do i knew

2244
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,199
guys when this alien autopsy film came

2245
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,360
out who had better looking aliens they

2246
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,600
were 17 year old would-be filmmakers and

2247
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,199
they had better looking aliens in their

2248
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,159
basement and it cost them nothing to do

2249
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,520
because they were because they were

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01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,719
creative

2251
01:27:22,229 --> 01:27:20,560
well nowadays of course if you want to

2252
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,239
become a filmmaker

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01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,800
you can actually do it on your iphone

2254
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,239
you can do it on your

2255
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,800
ipad and they do they do use these

2256
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,320
things for

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01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,560
commercial films or tv shows

2258
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,080
you could do it with

2259
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:36,960
a not expensive digital camera

2260
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:39,440
get some desktop editing software apple

2261
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:41,840
charges three hundred dollars for a

2262
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,400
final cut pro 10. and despite some

2263
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:46,639
problems with the original release it is

2264
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:49,840
used in the tv and film industry it's

2265
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:52,719
not expensive to get involved and anyone

2266
01:27:56,550 --> 01:27:55,520
with a reasonable amount of artistic

2267
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,560
skills

2268
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,719
can produce some incredible stuff

2269
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,480
so you know i don't know

2270
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:02,719
we're kind of moving aside from some of

2271
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:04,880
the critical issues here but how does

2272
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,719
the ufo feel and we'll have a few

2273
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,639
questions from listeners soon but how

2274
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:11,040
does the ufo feel tim beckley

2275
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,600
get any credibility at all when they

2276
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,679
keep falling into this trap year after

2277
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,400
year well you know i often wonder gene

2278
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:19,920
who exactly are they trying to get

2279
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:22,719
credibility from first of all

2280
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,199
the disclosure people are out to get

2281
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:27,760
congressional hearings that is not very

2282
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:29,280
likely to happen

2283
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,239
we had it happen in the 1960s and that

2284
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:34,000
went nowhere it gave us the content

2285
01:28:37,990 --> 01:28:34,960
committee

2286
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:38,000
yes indeed but also too you know what

2287
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:40,320
what does the government actually know

2288
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:42,400
about ufos of course

2289
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,239
that is a mystery to most people i would

2290
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:46,239
say that if anything maybe there are

2291
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:48,639
only a handful of people in the military

2292
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,600
uh who have known anything

2293
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:53,760
legitimate about this subject uh over

2294
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,719
the years everybody else is open to the

2295
01:29:00,870 --> 01:28:59,199
same basic information that is available

2296
01:29:02,709 --> 01:29:00,880
to you and i

2297
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,719
i mean if i were the president of the

2298
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,040
united states and people would pressure

2299
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:07,440
me about this continuously you know what

2300
01:29:11,790 --> 01:29:08,800
i would tell them

2301
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,800
go to your bookstore go to

2302
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,360
amazon.com

2303
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:15,120
find a couple of books read them and

2304
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,199
make up your own mind because it's like

2305
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,719
telling people what to believe as far as

2306
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,560
religion goes how are you going to get

2307
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:22,159
you duncan the president isn't going to

2308
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:25,679
go on on a tv you know on the six

2309
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,440
o'clock news and tell you about what

2310
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:29,679
religion you should uh follow and he's

2311
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,080
not likely to go on tv and tell you you

2312
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,920
know what ufos to believe in and what

2313
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,000
ufos not to believe in because probably

2314
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,560
it's a mystery to most people and if the

2315
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:40,400
if a politician is not interested in the

2316
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,320
subject he's not going to go out and

2317
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:44,159
investigate it you know it's got to be

2318
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,199
something that happened to him

2319
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:47,520
personally or somebody um

2320
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:50,320
uh maybe that's a part of his uh uh

2321
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:52,239
uh what's the word that i'm i'm looking

2322
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:53,520
for um

2323
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,199
uh you know it's like these guys from

2324
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,360
lindelsham forest now they got in touch

2325
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,040
with their their congressmen and their

2326
01:30:02,709 --> 01:30:00,719
senators because they could not get

2327
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,719
their uh they couldn't get their medical

2328
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,639
records right we're talking specifically

2329
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,400
about john burroughs here

2330
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,480
john burroughs correct okay now i know

2331
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,480
john burroughs in fact you know years

2332
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,639
ago when john got out of the military he

2333
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:15,360
moved to uh phoenix right and we'll get

2334
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,960
into that in a moment because john was

2335
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,679
actually over here at the studio for one

2336
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:21,679
of the tapings we've got more to come

2337
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:24,480
and we've got tim beckley to tell us

2338
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:25,440
now

2339
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,679
more of these histories of possible

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government knowledge and or involvement

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we're talking tim becklin you mentioned

2470
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,800
here that you got in touch with john

2471
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:52,159
burroughs

2472
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:53,920
years ago when he moved to the phoenix

2473
01:35:59,110 --> 01:35:56,560
area yeah you know um we were holding at

2474
01:36:01,510 --> 01:35:59,120
regular conferences there in in phoenix

2475
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:01,520
for quite a number of years and john

2476
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:02,960
burroughs had just gotten out of the

2477
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,960
service and moved to the phoenix area

2478
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:07,440
and larry warren was living there so

2479
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,280
somehow i managed to get john burroughs

2480
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,360
on the phone and i said why don't you

2481
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:13,199
come down because there were there was

2482
01:36:17,110 --> 01:36:14,960
still at that time a little bit of bad

2483
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,120
blood between the two of them and a

2484
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:19,520
little bit of disagreement as to whether

2485
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,239
larry was actually there on one of those

2486
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:24,239
nights which of course he was but that's

2487
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:27,199
another story so i invited john down

2488
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,199
john down to the conference and the two

2489
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:31,760
of them actually had a public debate and

2490
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:33,199
and this would have been years and years

2491
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:34,719
and years before

2492
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,800
randall forest really was getting the

2493
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:38,800
attention that i think that it it

2494
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:41,120
deserved i knew larry was telling the

2495
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:42,960
truth because he was the original

2496
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:46,800
whistleblower on this and back in 1980 i

2497
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,920
think it was 86 there was a

2498
01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:51,600
town meeting that was held in the high

2499
01:36:55,030 --> 01:36:52,480
school

2500
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,040
in brewster new york dr heineck was

2501
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:57,360
there jacques valet was there

2502
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,520
a lot of credible researchers were there

2503
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:01,679
it was organized by

2504
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:03,440
peter gerst than the lawyer at the time

2505
01:37:07,590 --> 01:37:05,199
because of all the sightings that had

2506
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:07,600
taken place in westchester county and

2507
01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:10,480
the public wanted to know uh what it was

2508
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:12,400
this triangle this boomerang shaped

2509
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:14,560
craft that was being seen by thousands

2510
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,400
of people what it was and what was the

2511
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,560
explanation for it so they had a town

2512
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:20,400
hall meeting that about 500 people

2513
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,280
actually uh showed up and larry warren

2514
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:25,840
was on the stairs of the high school or

2515
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:28,560
maybe it was a middle school uh of the

2516
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,119
brewster high school talking to people

2517
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:33,119
for the first time about what had

2518
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,400
happened to him in 1980. so this was

2519
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:38,800
this was years before any of the books

2520
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:42,320
were written uh before uh lieutenant

2521
01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:44,719
hall got out there and his tape was

2522
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,320
being played and so forth if it wasn't

2523
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,520
for larry

2524
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:49,600
i doubt if any of this would even have

2525
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:52,480
come out you know into the public domain

2526
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:55,119
speaking of rendelsham we do have uh

2527
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,679
some questions and uh this one's from

2528
01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,040
sri

2529
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:01,600
and he's wondering if anyone has

2530
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:02,800
would like to

2531
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,239
he says i'd like to hear tim's

2532
01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:06,639
impression of peter robbins of course

2533
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:09,280
who was uh co-author of uh left at the

2534
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,840
eastgate and and perhaps recap a few of

2535
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:13,520
the experiences that both tim and gene

2536
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:15,199
encountered back in ufology's good old

2537
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:16,880
days which which we've kind of done that

2538
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:17,760
but

2539
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:19,920
what is your impression of peter and

2540
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:22,000
larry and i guess your impression of

2541
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:24,080
peter's work with that oh i think i

2542
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:26,239
think it's a tremendous a tremendous

2543
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:29,440
body of uh of evidence uh i mean he he

2544
01:38:33,430 --> 01:38:30,400
and uh

2545
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:33,440
uh larry spent i think nine years uh

2546
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:36,080
working on their book as opposed to you

2547
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:39,199
know a year or so that nick pope and and

2548
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,280
pettington and burroughs worked on on

2549
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:43,360
theirs it's got everything in there i

2550
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,960
mean it's got pretty much all of the

2551
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:46,159
evidence and

2552
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:49,040
and the stories you know the experiences

2553
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:51,440
have not changed of course you know i

2554
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:53,199
know larry warren pretty well i mean

2555
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:54,960
i've hung out uh with him you know

2556
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,119
socially there's another side of larry

2557
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,280
that i guess a lot of people don't uh

2558
01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,440
know he he was involved in the

2559
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,679
entertainment business of course he is a

2560
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:06,320
musician in his own right he knew

2561
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:08,880
a lot of the jazz musicians and stevie

2562
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,480
ray vaughan and so forth he's playing

2563
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,040
with a couple of bands so he he does

2564
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:15,600
have a certain magnetism and charisma to

2565
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,679
him and i think of anyone he's best

2566
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:21,360
uh suited to get the story out about

2567
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,880
randall shimmer of forest you know but

2568
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,400
now there are so many different stories

2569
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:26,560
and so many different uh directions that

2570
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:27,920
this is coming

2571
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:30,320
to us from that it seems to have gotten

2572
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,080
kind of like roswell a little bit more

2573
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:35,360
convoluted but it is the the only uh

2574
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,600
recent case that i can think of that

2575
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,199
seems to be

2576
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:41,360
at some point where maybe we could find

2577
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:43,119
out a little bit something more about it

2578
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,560
there must be some more government

2579
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,960
records on this that have not been uh

2580
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:49,440
released and of course the medical

2581
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:51,760
uh the information on the these fellows

2582
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,360
medical background and what happened to

2583
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:55,440
him uh because of those two or three

2584
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:57,760
nights there in the in the forest do you

2585
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:00,239
think that the the finally uh burroughs

2586
01:40:03,910 --> 01:40:02,080
getting access to

2587
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:03,920
uh his medical records is a sort of

2588
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:06,159
tacit acknowledgement of the legitimacy

2589
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:07,760
of the case by the government uh some

2590
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:10,080
people are claiming yeah i would i was

2591
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,159
uh i would obviously think so and why

2592
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:13,760
would they go to the extent that they

2593
01:40:18,709 --> 01:40:15,760
have to keep the

2594
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,719
records not only from him but from other

2595
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,719
agencies that you know including medical

2596
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:23,280
doctors and people from the uh veterans

2597
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,480
administration who have tried to get a

2598
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:26,320
hold of the records that doesn't seem

2599
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:29,119
forthright and in in any uh regard does

2600
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:30,400
it i mean

2601
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:31,360
okay

2602
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,880
well i i would think that you know

2603
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,880
there's there's some gross neglect there

2604
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:36,480
on the part of

2605
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,119
some government agencies to give him uh

2606
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,639
and the public the information that

2607
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:43,280
should be readily available to his uh

2608
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,800
doctors and people at the veterans

2609
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,800
administration i mean there's just

2610
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:48,159
something wrong

2611
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:49,920
with this why would they hide the

2612
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,080
information even if they sanitized it

2613
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,719
they should make it available to them

2614
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,560
yeah you would think

2615
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:58,719
well it's almost like i remember the

2616
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,360
lawsuits back in the mid 90s by workers

2617
01:41:06,310 --> 01:41:04,080
at area 51 and and was thrown out of

2618
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,320
court because the base didn't exist so

2619
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:08,639
uh how could they uh sue the government

2620
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:10,880
for uh health uh

2621
01:41:14,950 --> 01:41:12,560
you know damage that they

2622
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:14,960
experience at a base that doesn't exist

2623
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:17,679
now that the cia has acknowledged the

2624
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:19,520
existence of the base i would think that

2625
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,119
those people would be

2626
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,679
would be uh doing another class-action

2627
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,960
suit against the government now that

2628
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,320
there's been official acknowledgement of

2629
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,159
the base's existence

2630
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:30,480
are any of them still alive

2631
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:31,920
you know that might be that's that's a

2632
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,679
good question one of the problems yeah

2633
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,199
that might be one of the

2634
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:36,960
problems right uh there you know the

2635
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,840
dead the dead can't sue i suppose uh

2636
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,920
i i would say if you know if there's

2637
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:43,440
anything to come

2638
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:45,040
from ufo

2639
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,679
hearings or involvement in any of the

2640
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:49,440
the the government or senators or

2641
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,280
congressmen this is where it would come

2642
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:53,440
from because here they don't have to

2643
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:55,840
point at lights in the sky it's a met

2644
01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:58,000
it's a medical issue it's something that

2645
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:01,520
a a a veteran is deserving of this

2646
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:04,159
information see so this makes them the

2647
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,199
good guy instead of looking like uh some

2648
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:09,119
uh you know weird uh

2649
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:11,840
a person who sees ufos in the in the sky

2650
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,320
or something this puts them in the whole

2651
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:17,199
subject perhaps in a more positive spin

2652
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:18,639
so if anything is ever going to come

2653
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:20,639
from this i i would say that this might

2654
01:42:26,550 --> 01:42:23,920
be the the area in which we should uh

2655
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,560
push instead of touting forth all these

2656
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:29,119
uh witnesses some of whom are very good

2657
01:42:32,310 --> 01:42:30,480
but you know

2658
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:32,320
the thing with disclosure is you've got

2659
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,199
some good witnesses and you've got some

2660
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,320
there that certainly don't deserve to be

2661
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,040
you know put in the public

2662
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,960
domain especially like you know during

2663
01:42:45,430 --> 01:42:44,080
the the middle of those

2664
01:42:47,189 --> 01:42:45,440
non-congressional hearings but they they

2665
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,199
were interesting right they bring out

2666
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,520
this guy who's supposedly you know

2667
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:51,600
breathing very difficult and he's a a

2668
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,520
few days before he's going to die and he

2669
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,920
talks about you know all this uh

2670
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,000
military uh stuff well that seemed

2671
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,639
pretty hokey to me i mean if if there

2672
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,400
was anything hokey that certainly was

2673
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:04,400
and i don't think that necessarily

2674
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:06,560
belonged as part of the uh

2675
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,960
of that that meeting you know it kind of

2676
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,040
again it kind of steered it off into a

2677
01:43:15,830 --> 01:43:13,199
very negative uh light you know it was

2678
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,840
something that had not been vetted

2679
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,760
something that had not been proved and

2680
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,040
we don't know whether that guy's dead or

2681
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:21,440
alive or was just an actor that is was

2682
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,639
brought in you know

2683
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:24,239
i mean how much background check do they

2684
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:26,239
do on some of these uh uh people i

2685
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:27,520
wonder

2686
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:30,080
yeah well paul hilliar's uh closing

2687
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:31,600
statement was the one that really drove

2688
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:36,629
and and what was his closing statement

2689
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:38,880
well he was reading from jim sparks a

2690
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:42,000
very questionable account of uh his

2691
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,920
alleged abduction which

2692
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:44,880
uh

2693
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,800
it just i don't know

2694
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:48,639
i have a hard time with the story uh to

2695
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:51,520
begin with but to read the uh

2696
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,440
the quote quote the aliens and what they

2697
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:56,239
had to say to him um as a way to end

2698
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,760
this week-long

2699
01:44:02,070 --> 01:44:00,400
uh exercise to me was

2700
01:44:04,070 --> 01:44:02,080
it just

2701
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,080
it's like taking a

2702
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,080
taking a samurai sword to a balloon and

2703
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,560
just popping and boom just all the time

2704
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,560
i i don't i don't suppose though chris

2705
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,520
that you can censor anybody on giving

2706
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:15,840
their opinions about ufos especially if

2707
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:18,560
you uh you know call them fourth because

2708
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:21,360
just like on the paracast here you had

2709
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:23,119
you know how many diff guest gene have

2710
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:24,400
you had on here a couple of hundred

2711
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,000
maybe more than that by now right

2712
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,840
everybody's got their own opinion if you

2713
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:29,600
were to parade them in front of a

2714
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,280
congressional hearing they would just

2715
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:32,880
pretty much tell what they've told on

2716
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,880
the on the air and a lot of people would

2717
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:36,239
shake their head in disagreement and

2718
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,520
some people would shake their head in

2719
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:39,600
agreement you know you never get a

2720
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:42,880
totality of agreement on on any of this

2721
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:44,719
and and i don't think that you ever will

2722
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:47,360
because ufos are something different to

2723
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,000
me than they might be to the next person

2724
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:52,000
or to you guys see you know i mean

2725
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:54,080
ufos are unidentified and and that's

2726
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,960
what they are and you can't i you know

2727
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,800
you can't readily identify them so you

2728
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:00,719
can put you know i remember going into a

2729
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:04,159
newsstand one time and asking the uh the

2730
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:06,320
the owner if he

2731
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:08,560
carried ufo universe magazine and he

2732
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:09,840
looked at me i don't even think he knew

2733
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:11,920
what a ufo was but he said what could

2734
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:13,520
you possibly why would i carry that

2735
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:15,199
magazine what could you possibly have to

2736
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:17,520
say i have something to say now and we

2737
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,280
have to do this break with gene and

2738
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:21,520
chris with tim beckley you're in the

2739
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a little right a little left but always

2740
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2741
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2757
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investment advisors won't talk about

2760
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2797
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

2798
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2799
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:54,239
and now

2800
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:57,530
here's gene steinberg

2801
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:03,030
so you went into the newsstand you asked

2802
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:05,840
about ufo universe tim beckley

2803
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:08,800
and the proprietor says you know why

2804
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:10,560
would he carry anything like that right

2805
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:11,920
yeah and he said what what could you

2806
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:14,800
possibly write about ufos issue after

2807
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:17,520
issue and i tried to explain to to him

2808
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,000
that you could write almost anything

2809
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:21,840
that you wanted about the the subject

2810
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:23,440
because ufos are identified and

2811
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,840
therefore each writer has their own uh

2812
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:27,679
opinion and their own

2813
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:30,800
uh take on the on the subject but going

2814
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,280
back to congressional hearings here the

2815
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:35,119
thing that you'd have to demonstrate if

2816
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:37,520
such a thing were to occur again

2817
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:39,520
because again as i said we had those

2818
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:41,920
hearings nearly 50 years ago if it

2819
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,159
happens again you'd merely have to

2820
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,239
demonstrate that there is a credible

2821
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,760
phenomenon

2822
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:49,840
that may potentially

2823
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,960
present a national security issue

2824
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,040
but at least it's an unknown

2825
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,520
scientific phenomenon and you don't have

2826
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:59,280
to give a solution because i think

2827
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,719
that's the worst thing you can do you

2828
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,639
don't say it's spaceships you don't say

2829
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:04,239
they're interdimensional

2830
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,239
i kind of go for leslie

2831
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:08,880
kane's view on that particular

2832
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:11,040
issue that you don't go to people like

2833
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,000
this

2834
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,080
and push a particular point of view you

2835
01:49:19,669 --> 01:49:16,080
push the existence of a mystery that

2836
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:19,679
needs to be solved well yes but again in

2837
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:21,600
today's atmosphere of everything going

2838
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,320
on with international terrorism climate

2839
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,000
control and everything else you can

2840
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:28,480
imagine how important on a scale of one

2841
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:29,679
to ten

2842
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,719
uh are ufos uh you know and then you get

2843
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:36,960
let's face it the opposition if you're a

2844
01:49:41,590 --> 01:49:38,960
democrat and you make some comment about

2845
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:41,600
ufos in a positive vein the republicans

2846
01:49:46,149 --> 01:49:42,960
are going to get all over your case and

2847
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:46,159
vice versa it would have to be a unified

2848
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:47,280
statement

2849
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,639
made

2850
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:50,560
either by both parties which is not

2851
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,159
likely to happen because they haven't

2852
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:54,480
hardly agreed on anything in the last

2853
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:56,560
20 years or you'd have to get some

2854
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:58,719
international organization like the

2855
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:01,520
united nations to to become involved in

2856
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:03,920
this and there was an attempt of course

2857
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,880
uh many years ago uh to get the uh to

2858
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,320
set up some sort of international

2859
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:10,480
committee in fact i was there for the

2860
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:11,760
i don't know if you would call them

2861
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,199
hearings because

2862
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,440
it was a pub you know a public forum but

2863
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,840
it was dr heineck and uh astronaut

2864
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:19,280
gordon cooper

2865
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,320
and

2866
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:22,800
the pilot uh i guess his name was a coin

2867
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,360
that was a helicopter pilot over ohio

2868
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,119
that had seen this thing uh you know

2869
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,280
veering towards his uh chopper and so

2870
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:31,679
forth and they uh dr heineck they had a

2871
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,960
a very uh high level meeting there and

2872
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:36,800
they tried to get the un to set up some

2873
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:39,280
sort of international committee at a

2874
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,800
very low expense and we know that the

2875
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:42,320
u.n has all kinds of committees on

2876
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:43,440
everything

2877
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:46,560
and everybody except for the island of

2878
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:50,159
granada and india voted against it you

2879
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:52,560
know here are how many nations in the

2880
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:54,800
united nations that never agree on

2881
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,520
anything but when it comes to ufos they

2882
01:51:02,070 --> 01:51:00,000
all got together and said nay

2883
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:02,080
which i which i do think is very

2884
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:04,800
peculiar because like i say the u.n has

2885
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:07,920
all kinds of subcommittees uh looking

2886
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:10,880
into all kinds of things some

2887
01:51:17,109 --> 01:51:14,080
of potential of value to humanity and

2888
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:17,119
some of uh everybody's waste of time but

2889
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:19,360
they still do it so to set up a

2890
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:20,560
committee to

2891
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:23,360
look into ufos does not seem to be

2892
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,119
something that is too far-fetched

2893
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:27,440
because if we ever do get to the point

2894
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,560
where we have to say hello to somebody

2895
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,960
from somewhere else who's going to do it

2896
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:35,119
for us stephen greer

2897
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,480
oh let's not choke

2898
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,239
well he's he's our ambassador to the

2899
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,320
universe come on well actually no i do

2900
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:44,080
believe that the united nations has a

2901
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:46,719
lady a woman who does have

2902
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:48,880
something similar to that title but i

2903
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:50,960
don't believe she's ever pressed any of

2904
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:53,040
this or or or seemed to

2905
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:55,360
want to to do anything with you know to

2906
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:57,679
to get the ball rolling on this so we're

2907
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,159
back to to square one there will never

2908
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,480
be a disclosure you know

2909
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,480
if there were a million people let's say

2910
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,639
that everybody who has seen a ufo or

2911
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:09,040
claims to have been abducted decides to

2912
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,760
take uh to the street and and

2913
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,440
demonstrate

2914
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:15,360
thousands of people tens of thousands of

2915
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:18,000
people what does it what does it take to

2916
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:21,199
get the government's attention on any

2917
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:22,000
uh

2918
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:23,280
a subject

2919
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,119
hundreds of thousands of people taken to

2920
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:27,199
the street not even five thousand people

2921
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,360
not even ten thousand people i mean look

2922
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:31,440
at all the situations in ferguson and

2923
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,119
all these other towns a couple of

2924
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,760
thousand people just it it doesn't hack

2925
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:37,760
it you've got to bring

2926
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,239
tens of thousand people to demonstrate

2927
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:42,400
and to show that there's something to

2928
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:44,400
the subject a couple of people a couple

2929
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:46,159
of thousand people faxing into their

2930
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,520
senator uh or sending an email to the

2931
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,679
congressman isn't going to do anything

2932
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:54,239
because there's already too many topics

2933
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,560
on their desk which they can't deal with

2934
01:53:02,149 --> 01:52:59,040
even now under normal circumstances so

2935
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:02,159
ufos would just be something that would

2936
01:53:05,669 --> 01:53:03,599
destroy them even worse than they're

2937
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,679
being destroyed by

2938
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:07,840
members of the opposite political party

2939
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,599
maybe uh a groundswell of of threats of

2940
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:13,360
future anal probing if they don't do the

2941
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,960
right thing and hold hearings

2942
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:16,560
well maybe some of those guys would like

2943
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:19,199
that i would assume

2944
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,040
well you know i find it ironic that the

2945
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:23,440
only country that really decided to get

2946
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:26,000
involved was grenada where they did have

2947
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,599
an actual um

2948
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:29,440
meeting i think heineken ballet were

2949
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:31,760
there and lisa i think was there he

2950
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,679
covered it and and what happened the

2951
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,000
premiere of grenada was deposed by the

2952
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,320
u.s marine corps yeah they had but it

2953
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,199
wasn't him that was syria eric gary but

2954
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,199
i think somebody else had taken over the

2955
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,199
the government a communist and he had

2956
01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:47,280
fled to some penthouse apartment in the

2957
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,040
bahamas or something somewhere you know

2958
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:51,119
i mean he just totally disappeared but

2959
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,760
they did actually put out a series of

2960
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:55,599
postage stamps which actually they're

2961
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:58,000
not the first country to put out ufo

2962
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:59,520
postage stamps because you know a lot of

2963
01:54:02,390 --> 01:54:00,560
countries

2964
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,400
make a huge income on selling poacher

2965
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,960
stamps on all kinds of subjects to stamp

2966
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:06,960
collectors around the world in fact

2967
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:08,480
there was a whole series of postage

2968
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,719
stamps with george adamski on them and

2969
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:12,560
and i can't remember a fan what the

2970
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,719
little country put them uh out but uh

2971
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,880
you know there's the uh the bell-shaped

2972
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:18,880
uh the craft of the mother ship and

2973
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:20,880
georgia dabsky's smiling your face on

2974
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,880
the postage stamp and granada had their

2975
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,960
own series of postage stamps on that

2976
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,880
maybe maybe they had the adamski stamps

2977
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:28,960
i don't remember but you know they tried

2978
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:30,560
they did at least get it in front of the

2979
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:33,599
u.n they did get the ball rolling but

2980
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:34,840
china

2981
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:37,840
korea the only country that uh that

2982
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,440
voted in favor of setting up the

2983
01:54:43,990 --> 01:54:41,599
committee was india everybody else voted

2984
01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:44,000
how is that possible most countries

2985
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:46,159
either a stain if they don't know

2986
01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:47,679
anything about the subject they just

2987
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:49,840
pass on it right here they voted against

2988
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:52,480
it that to me seems really really

2989
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,520
peculiar who do they go back to in you

2990
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:58,080
know obviously these ambassadors and and

2991
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:59,760
the people who vote on this have to go

2992
01:55:02,950 --> 01:55:01,040
back to somebody in their country and

2993
01:55:04,229 --> 01:55:02,960
find out which way they're going to vote

2994
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,239
it's not something that they make up

2995
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,400
their own mind on so somebody obviously

2996
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:08,480
in all of these countries has to say nay

2997
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:09,920
you're not voting in favor of this

2998
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:11,920
because it's against our policy

2999
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,920
well governments never get together on

3000
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:15,679
anything anyway you have to show a

3001
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:18,239
compelling political reason for them to

3002
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:21,040
get together an immediate threat i mean

3003
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:23,520
if they thought that e.t was landing

3004
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:25,599
tomorrow or had evidence of something of

3005
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:28,320
that nature they'd do it but right now

3006
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:30,480
clearly there's either a threat they're

3007
01:55:33,669 --> 01:55:32,159
afraid to reveal where they don't think

3008
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:33,679
it's a threat or they just don't think

3009
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,679
it's worth anything i think i've also

3010
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,840
suggested a number of times in the show

3011
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:39,920
that if there is a secret it's probably

3012
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,239
been funneled off to private industry

3013
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:44,159
yes absolutely

3014
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:46,480
absolutely and you know i think that i

3015
01:55:51,270 --> 01:55:48,719
sat there years ago listening to a long

3016
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,280
john neville on my transistor radio and

3017
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:53,520
it might have all started in roswell you

3018
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:54,880
know and i have always thought even the

3019
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,280
internet gene if somebody from some

3020
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:59,440
other planet or some other civilization

3021
01:56:02,950 --> 01:56:01,040
wanted to find out everything there was

3022
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:02,960
to know about us what would they do

3023
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,639
they'd give us the means to start our

3024
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,159
own internet so that we could post

3025
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:08,320
everything to possibly know about our

3026
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:10,400
civilization and everything that goes on

3027
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:11,760
there so that they don't even have to

3028
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:13,679
come here and travel thousands of

3029
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,920
millions of light years to get here all

3030
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:17,599
they have to do is tap into our internet

3031
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:19,119
and they can type in any subject just

3032
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:20,880
like you and i do google okay just a

3033
01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:22,560
minute here we're getting too far afield

3034
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,159
here you're suggesting then that maybe

3035
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:27,440
the internet was created not by

3036
01:56:32,950 --> 01:56:30,560
some scientists back in the 1970s it was

3037
01:56:35,350 --> 01:56:32,960
part of a government project but to

3038
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:35,360
benefit the aliens well i mean it's a

3039
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,040
far-fetched idea but

3040
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:39,280
very far-fetched is not the beginning of

3041
01:56:43,350 --> 01:56:41,840
it my friend i don't i don't see why why

3042
01:56:45,589 --> 01:56:43,360
would it be that far-fetched it could be

3043
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,599
like the modern trojan horse you know we

3044
01:56:48,950 --> 01:56:47,360
don't know if the the aliens seem uh

3045
01:56:50,709 --> 01:56:48,960
aliens and we just use that for a better

3046
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:50,719
term i call them the alter terrestrials

3047
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:52,080
because we don't know where they're from

3048
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:54,400
or or what their main objective is but

3049
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:56,800
we do have many instances in cases where

3050
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:58,560
they are able to control the minds of

3051
01:57:02,870 --> 01:57:00,320
others freeze people so that they can't

3052
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:02,880
move you know or levitate them into uh

3053
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:04,880
other rooms take them through walls do

3054
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:06,960
all these miraculous things so who says

3055
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,560
that we can't plant some of this

3056
01:57:12,790 --> 01:57:10,639
information to the minds of scientists

3057
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:12,800
and academics let's go on with this

3058
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:14,719
because i'm having a problem with this

3059
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:16,239
logic

3060
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thank you i have to do a break that was

3061
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:19,280
a good one though

3062
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gene i think tim's been very creative

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so yes maybe tim is being creative about

3168
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:06,480
the aliens inventing the internet to

3169
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:08,960
keep tabs on us but you know

3170
02:02:12,070 --> 02:02:11,199
as a practical matter wouldn't it be

3171
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:12,080
more

3172
02:02:15,109 --> 02:02:13,440
proper to just

3173
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:15,119
increase the number of talk shows so

3174
02:02:18,790 --> 02:02:16,960
this way you listen to the talk shows

3175
02:02:20,390 --> 02:02:18,800
you get a sense what earth people are

3176
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:20,400
talking about what they're interested in

3177
02:02:24,550 --> 02:02:22,400
why why the internet doesn't make sense

3178
02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:24,560
well no but well don't be but we are we

3179
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:26,560
are being broadcast over the internet is

3180
02:02:32,229 --> 02:02:29,280
that not true it's not broadcasting in

3181
02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:32,239
the sense of its wireless transmission

3182
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:35,199
can you receive the wi-fi signal 10

3183
02:02:38,229 --> 02:02:36,639
light years away

3184
02:02:39,669 --> 02:02:38,239
yeah but maybe you don't need that maybe

3185
02:02:42,790 --> 02:02:39,679
all you need to do is have a couple of

3186
02:02:44,470 --> 02:02:42,800
computers down here uh uh somewhere uh

3187
02:02:46,149 --> 02:02:44,480
with some sort of you know like a

3188
02:02:48,470 --> 02:02:46,159
broadcasting ability or something that

3189
02:02:50,550 --> 02:02:48,480
would send it out i remember a case now

3190
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:50,560
i just wrote it up in the uh ufo

3191
02:02:53,990 --> 02:02:52,480
repeaters the camera doesn't lie uh

3192
02:02:56,950 --> 02:02:54,000
there was a fellow who had a talk show

3193
02:02:59,990 --> 02:02:56,960
host up in uh new england on radio

3194
02:03:01,910 --> 02:03:00,000
station w-o-o-n out of woonsocket rhode

3195
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:01,920
island maybe you'll recognize the name

3196
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:04,560
uh eugene his name is joe farrier yes

3197
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:06,000
he's on he's on the same station that

3198
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:09,040
paulino is on but he was on

3199
02:03:12,709 --> 02:03:11,280
wound in woonsocket rhode island 50

3200
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:12,719
years before paul

3201
02:03:19,030 --> 02:03:15,040
was there he had invited me up to do his

3202
02:03:21,430 --> 02:03:19,040
show uh back about 50 years ago actually

3203
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:21,440
and he did not broadcast on ufos he was

3204
02:03:25,910 --> 02:03:24,320
not a you know an art bell or a or a

3205
02:03:28,229 --> 02:03:25,920
gene steinberg

3206
02:03:30,229 --> 02:03:28,239
he had a daily talk show program that i

3207
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:30,239
believe was on at noon or on drive time

3208
02:03:34,229 --> 02:03:32,639
or something like that he had ufo

3209
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:34,239
sightings in fact if you check the

3210
02:03:39,910 --> 02:03:37,280
internet you'll find that he had taken a

3211
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:39,920
series of ufo photographs on a number of

3212
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:41,599
different days somewhere cigar-shaped

3213
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:43,599
craft he even had some actually good

3214
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:46,239
video video that he took but he never he

3215
02:03:50,229 --> 02:03:47,840
never really pushed this

3216
02:03:52,470 --> 02:03:50,239
as a kid maybe slightly older than we

3217
02:03:54,310 --> 02:03:52,480
are he did put out a little newsletter

3218
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:54,320
called the controversial phenomena

3219
02:03:58,470 --> 02:03:56,880
bulletin you know he exchanged exchanged

3220
02:04:01,270 --> 02:03:58,480
it with us i'm sure he don't have any

3221
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:01,280
copies left any anymore but basically he

3222
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,360
had a series of jobs and occupations

3223
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:05,199
throughout his life but he was on the

3224
02:04:10,310 --> 02:04:08,400
radio and he had a used record shop in

3225
02:04:11,750 --> 02:04:10,320
in woonsocket where he sold old books

3226
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:11,760
and old records and stuff along that

3227
02:04:17,830 --> 02:04:14,239
line i remember the publication by the

3228
02:04:19,990 --> 02:04:17,840
way yes okay it was joe ferrier and aman

3229
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:20,000
laprad were the two of publishers they

3230
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:22,159
were partners at at one point it was

3231
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:23,840
mimeographed and i think they actually

3232
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:25,520
even colored in some of the pages by

3233
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:27,760
hand just to make it look a little uh

3234
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:29,440
sharp like they were publishing in color

3235
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:30,719
or something you know

3236
02:04:35,030 --> 02:04:33,040
anyway he did have a series of ufo

3237
02:04:37,030 --> 02:04:35,040
sightings kind of gro growing up which i

3238
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:37,040
guess got him into interested in the in

3239
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:39,199
the subject to some degree he told me

3240
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:41,040
the story and this has been repeated on

3241
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:44,320
on paulino's uh behind the paranormal uh

3242
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:46,960
program he was hitchhiking as a teenager

3243
02:04:51,109 --> 02:04:48,880
one day he was on a lonely stretch of

3244
02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:51,119
road and this car pulled over and there

3245
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:53,360
was a a middle-aged uh couple he said

3246
02:04:58,550 --> 02:04:56,480
the woman was very attractive the man

3247
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,560
was very handsome almost like a soap

3248
02:05:01,910 --> 02:05:00,560
opera star they asked him where he was

3249
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:01,920
going and he said i don't know maybe

3250
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:04,239
15-20 miles away and they told them to

3251
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:06,159
take a seat in the the back of the car

3252
02:05:10,390 --> 02:05:07,920
that they could take him to

3253
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:10,400
his destination well he noticed

3254
02:05:16,070 --> 02:05:12,239
something very unusual in the back of

3255
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:16,080
the car there were a number of i guess

3256
02:05:20,070 --> 02:05:18,560
the best way to describe it are square

3257
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:20,080
boxes but they weren't made out of

3258
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:22,960
cardboard and they seemed to be kind of

3259
02:05:27,669 --> 02:05:25,760
lighting up and and and flickering i

3260
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:27,679
don't know there were maybe a dozen of

3261
02:05:32,709 --> 02:05:30,880
them uh back there and he was curious

3262
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:32,719
about them but they told him please

3263
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:35,599
don't touch the boxes and they told him

3264
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,040
that they were going to they were

3265
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:39,280
driving around the country and they were

3266
02:05:45,030 --> 02:05:42,719
leaving these boxes off uh at certain

3267
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:45,040
destinations either with people or to

3268
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:47,520
implant them in into the into the ground

3269
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:49,760
or in some wooded area or into some

3270
02:05:54,070 --> 02:05:51,599
hiding a place where they could not be

3271
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:54,080
found and they were supposed to help

3272
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:55,760
lift kind of the vibrations of the

3273
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:57,840
planet or something to do you know

3274
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:01,280
positive for us isn't it possible that

3275
02:06:05,510 --> 02:06:03,040
if the story is true and they left these

3276
02:06:07,589 --> 02:06:05,520
boxes behind that this might not be

3277
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:07,599
sending messages to their planet plus

3278
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:09,360
you know there have been messages there

3279
02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:11,840
have been a lot of audio signals both

3280
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:12,880
verbal

3281
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:14,480
and kind of like morse code that have

3282
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:16,320
been picked up on by our ham radio

3283
02:06:20,629 --> 02:06:18,560
operators all over the world and even

3284
02:06:23,109 --> 02:06:20,639
our own astronauts have picked up voice

3285
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:23,119
commands over their uh their supposedly

3286
02:06:27,750 --> 02:06:25,520
you know closed channels of of somebody

3287
02:06:29,990 --> 02:06:27,760
broadcasting so who's to say that

3288
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:30,000
information that's uh gotten here about

3289
02:06:33,830 --> 02:06:31,920
our civilization and the way we live

3290
02:06:35,109 --> 02:06:33,840
isn't being sent back to somewhere else

3291
02:06:36,550 --> 02:06:35,119
doesn't necessarily have to be on

3292
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:36,560
another planet it could be in a mother

3293
02:06:41,830 --> 02:06:38,719
ship it could be in an underground uh a

3294
02:06:44,149 --> 02:06:41,840
cave it could be anywhere but certainly

3295
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:44,159
they could keep tabs on our planet

3296
02:06:48,149 --> 02:06:45,840
without having to come back and forth

3297
02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:48,159
you know on a regular basis and that's

3298
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,040
maybe

3299
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,360
why we see a slack in really good ufo

3300
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:52,880
sightings in the last couple of years

3301
02:06:56,149 --> 02:06:54,320
maybe they just don't have to return

3302
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:56,159
here all the time well they don't even

3303
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:58,000
have to send living beings here they can

3304
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:58,880
send

3305
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:01,679
robots cyborgs something else well

3306
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:03,599
apparently they have on some occasions

3307
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,960
well you know the other issue i want to

3308
02:07:08,709 --> 02:07:06,320
talk to you about is what you mentioned

3309
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,719
with regard to ufo abductions where

3310
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:11,119
people think they've been levitated or

3311
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:13,520
taken through walls do you really assume

3312
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:16,079
here that those experiences are physical

3313
02:07:22,310 --> 02:07:18,960
experiences exactly as described

3314
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,320
no no i wouldn't i wouldn't say that but

3315
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:24,880
okay let's take the case for example of

3316
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:27,840
um i had a friend who lived in

3317
02:07:33,030 --> 02:07:30,639
joshua tree of california in fact just

3318
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:33,040
last week i was on the travel channel

3319
02:07:37,589 --> 02:07:35,440
there's a new show out called uh

3320
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:37,599
mysteries in the national parks and i

3321
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:40,400
did a whole episode with them uh on the

3322
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:43,360
joshua tree and death valley there was a

3323
02:07:47,350 --> 02:07:45,760
gal who lived there who was having who

3324
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,360
told me about she was having a series of

3325
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:49,920
ufo sightings at least one

3326
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:52,800
uh instance she was actually taken

3327
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,040
through the wall of the the house that

3328
02:08:00,229 --> 02:07:57,360
she was living in and she found herself

3329
02:08:01,910 --> 02:08:00,239
inside some craft now i have been told

3330
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:01,920
these stories where people are are

3331
02:08:07,270 --> 02:08:04,400
levitated over and over and over again

3332
02:08:09,430 --> 02:08:07,280
and taken through physical objects which

3333
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:09,440
of course would be impossible in the

3334
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:12,239
physical body but again i always say

3335
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:15,440
what happens in the seance room uh also

3336
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:18,320
seems to be repeated in ufo encounters

3337
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:20,639
so i have come to the conclusion that a

3338
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:23,040
lot of this is of a psychic uh

3339
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:26,639
metaphysical vein it is not physical now

3340
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:28,480
are you saying could this person still

3341
02:08:32,229 --> 02:08:29,760
be asleep in their bed and they're

3342
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:32,239
dreaming this or is this an astral trip

3343
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:34,079
i don't know all i can do is i can tell

3344
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:36,000
you is that this has been repeated to me

3345
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:37,920
over and over again there's one very

3346
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:40,159
good case that was um

3347
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:42,719
on the tv show i guess you can find it

3348
02:08:46,550 --> 02:08:44,960
with leonard nimoy i think it's in

3349
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:46,560
search of right that was the name of his

3350
02:08:50,790 --> 02:08:48,719
program and there's a fellow uh uh in

3351
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:50,800
one of the episodes uh that i

3352
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:52,560
interviewed in fact i'd spent some time

3353
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:55,119
investigating the the case i wrote it up

3354
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,679
for oh i think originally the national

3355
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:59,679
star which of course is the glo of the

3356
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:02,400
glossy celebrity gossip magazine today

3357
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:04,079
it was owned by rupert murdoch at that

3358
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,840
time i don't know who owns it now but uh

3359
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,840
it was an imitation of the uh of the uh

3360
02:09:11,990 --> 02:09:09,679
inquirer i was writing for all the

3361
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,000
tabloids and i wrote for the the star

3362
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:14,000
well we did an article in there which is

3363
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:16,560
a case about this hunter in wyoming by

3364
02:09:21,109 --> 02:09:18,880
the name of carl higdon it seems to be

3365
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:21,119
one of the most easily verifiable and

3366
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:23,199
credible cases he went out one morning

3367
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:25,760
in his pickup truck to do some hunting

3368
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:28,880
he went into a a clearing and got out of

3369
02:09:32,790 --> 02:09:30,880
the truck with his rifle he was going to

3370
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,800
go out elk hunting and he could see them

3371
02:09:37,350 --> 02:09:34,800
off you know on the outline of kind of

3372
02:09:39,510 --> 02:09:37,360
the uh the forest or the wooded uh area

3373
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:39,520
he picked up his gun and walked a short

3374
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:41,599
distance through the uh the grassy knoll

3375
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,400
there

3376
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:44,639
with his truck behind him to go hunting

3377
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,599
the elk he raised his rifle and pulled

3378
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:49,920
the trigger and at that point something

3379
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:52,320
very strange happened he said that there

3380
02:09:58,069 --> 02:09:55,040
was dead silence the bullet came out in

3381
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:58,079
slow motion and instead of penetrating

3382
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:00,800
the animal it seemed to have actually

3383
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:03,840
hit some force field later on the

3384
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:05,440
sheriff and the sheriff's deputy came

3385
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:07,360
out there and they picked up the the

3386
02:10:11,830 --> 02:10:10,079
bullet casing it was twisted inside out

3387
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we had the photograph of that and we put

3388
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:14,400
it in the magazine it is as if the

3389
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bullet had hit some concrete wall and

3390
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had twisted itself we have tim beckley

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with gene and chris you're in the bare

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someone's been in your hotel room but

3446
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the desk clerk says they only show you

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entering the room these are signs of ep

3448
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electronic pickpocketing payment cards

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transit cards even hotel room keys use a

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card at the register the turnstile or

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your hotel room door but what's

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electronically pickpocket you without

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learn to unvolunteer or discontinue

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letter envelope presentment etc always

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acceptance subsequent resultant contract

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bar lawyers and accountants won't help

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you why wait get strategy one and

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immediately implement it to divorce the

3490
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hello this is john burroughs one of the

3494
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witnesses to the rendelsome ufo incident

3495
02:14:56,950 --> 02:14:46,560
you're listening to the paracast the

3496
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:58,870
so as we enter that segment tim is

3497
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:00,639
talking about this particular case he

3498
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:02,400
wanted us to consider further tim

3499
02:15:08,310 --> 02:15:05,440
beckley go ahead okay so a carl higdon

3500
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:08,320
uh uh it tries to shoot at the elk uh

3501
02:15:13,990 --> 02:15:10,880
the bullet uh it seems to hit some force

3502
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:14,000
field it twists itself inside out and he

3503
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:17,360
sees off in the distance a cube shaped

3504
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:19,920
object maybe eight feet by eight feet

3505
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:22,239
ten feet by ten feet but relatively

3506
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:25,119
small standing on the outskirts or

3507
02:15:28,629 --> 02:15:27,840
nearby the object is a humanoid being of

3508
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:28,639
some

3509
02:15:33,430 --> 02:15:31,119
sort there's a a drawing that he did

3510
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:33,440
that's in the magazines

3511
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:35,360
the thing that was very peculiar about

3512
02:15:39,589 --> 02:15:37,520
the being it was kind of short in

3513
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:39,599
stature if i remember correctly and he

3514
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:42,719
had here like straw almost like a punk

3515
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:44,560
rocker would have but this was before

3516
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:47,040
the days of of punk rock the next thing

3517
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:51,360
carl higdon finds he is inside this cube

3518
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:53,760
but there is a difference between the

3519
02:15:58,709 --> 02:15:56,320
object that he saw from the outside and

3520
02:16:01,589 --> 02:15:58,719
from being inside because the object has

3521
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:01,599
grown from let's say eight feet by eight

3522
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:05,440
feet too huge inside in fact several of

3523
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,599
the elk uh he had been hunting or we

3524
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:09,040
assume it's the same elk that he would

3525
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:12,159
be uh would have been hunting are inside

3526
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:15,119
the cube which has grown in size inside

3527
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:16,320
cages

3528
02:16:21,109 --> 02:16:18,960
eventually the the object takes off and

3529
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:21,119
he finds himself in some other place

3530
02:16:26,310 --> 02:16:23,280
some other world he's taken up an

3531
02:16:29,109 --> 02:16:26,320
escalator or an elevator of some sort uh

3532
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:29,119
he's put on a device which seems to scan

3533
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:31,599
his body he's able to look out of this

3534
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:33,519
thing that he kind of described as kind

3535
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:35,760
of like the space needle in seattle he

3536
02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:39,439
sees people on uh motorized stairs like

3537
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:41,679
down on the sidewalk moving along some

3538
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:44,000
of them are these alien

3539
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:45,920
beings and some of them look like

3540
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:48,719
they're humans anyway he eventually gets

3541
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:49,679
back

3542
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:56,000
the approximate spot where he was

3543
02:17:01,910 --> 02:16:59,280
teleported inside their vehicle except

3544
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:01,920
that he now finds himself in a wooded

3545
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:04,800
area that is very swampy and the truck

3546
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:07,760
has moved and he cannot get it out

3547
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:09,760
because it is stuck in the muck and the

3548
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:10,719
mire

3549
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:13,840
well he manages to call the the sheriff

3550
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:15,599
of the police department on his

3551
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:18,479
walkie-talkie or his radio and his car

3552
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:20,639
they come and they have to get several

3553
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,280
tow trucks to put down logs to get his

3554
02:17:27,589 --> 02:17:25,519
vehicle out of this spot where it had

3555
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,599
apparently been moved to in fact i

3556
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:29,760
believe when he said he was coming down

3557
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,120
they showed him that they were going to

3558
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:33,280
pick up the the truck and move it why

3559
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,679
they would want to do that i don't know

3560
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:37,920
he should send them his his towing bill

3561
02:17:40,950 --> 02:17:39,599
i would assume but maybe this was

3562
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:40,960
evidence that something had happened

3563
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:43,760
anyway they took him to the the hospital

3564
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:46,479
to examine him he was kind of hysterical

3565
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:49,200
his face was all uh red as if he had

3566
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:52,000
been out in the the sun all day or or

3567
02:17:58,070 --> 02:17:54,800
something like that and they took x-rays

3568
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:58,080
of him and they found that a um a scar

3569
02:18:03,349 --> 02:18:01,280
mark like uh on his uh lung had

3570
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:03,359
disappeared and there were other medical

3571
02:18:08,389 --> 02:18:05,599
things too that had been

3572
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:08,399
eradicated after this contact of being

3573
02:18:14,309 --> 02:18:12,319
taken to wherever he was was taken so

3574
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:14,319
yes some of these experiences are

3575
02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:16,639
legitimate i don't know how any uh how

3576
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,479
many i can't tell you how many people

3577
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:20,479
who claim to have abduction experiences

3578
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,319
actually have them but there is

3579
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:24,960
something afoot here now i don't know as

3580
02:18:29,190 --> 02:18:26,960
if they're being taken to other worlds

3581
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:29,200
that seems a little far-fetched uh in

3582
02:18:34,070 --> 02:18:32,160
the old days they were taken to magonia

3583
02:18:36,070 --> 02:18:34,080
or to fairy kingdom and and some of

3584
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:36,080
those reports are quite similar we have

3585
02:18:41,190 --> 02:18:39,120
a book out on on ufos and time travel in

3586
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:41,200
the fairy kingdom and and we report a

3587
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:43,679
lot of these incidences that happened uh

3588
02:18:48,309 --> 02:18:46,080
several hundred years ago and there is a

3589
02:18:51,669 --> 02:18:48,319
remarked similarity between abduction

3590
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:51,679
experiences so yes something strange is

3591
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:54,479
happening in the neighborhood but again

3592
02:18:57,990 --> 02:18:56,160
you can't really put your finger on it

3593
02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:58,000
you know you can investigate these

3594
02:19:02,870 --> 02:18:59,760
things and what do you really have to go

3595
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:02,880
on is the honesty and sincerity of the

3596
02:19:07,990 --> 02:19:05,359
person who is telling you the story so

3597
02:19:11,349 --> 02:19:08,000
this gets back to peter robbins because

3598
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:11,359
when peter robbins uh was a teenager

3599
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:13,359
he was with his sister the late punk

3600
02:19:19,309 --> 02:19:15,760
rock singer helen wheels and they were

3601
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,319
outside in long island and they saw this

3602
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:21,439
cigar-shaped craft i believe it was a

3603
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:24,080
cigar shaped craft and they they watched

3604
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:26,479
it for several minutes and helen

3605
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:28,719
apparently had an abduction experience

3606
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:32,080
where she was taken inside the vehicle

3607
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:34,399
in fact you can find that story in

3608
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:36,160
the book that we just published charlie

3609
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:38,719
mclean meets the palladians do i believe

3610
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:39,599
peter

3611
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:42,399
robbins absolutely helen robbins told me

3612
02:19:46,309 --> 02:19:43,679
the the

3613
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:46,319
story which we uh we have in the book do

3614
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:49,040
i believe her yes i believe her in fact

3615
02:19:54,070 --> 02:19:52,000
jean she was uh of course a jewish and

3616
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:54,080
she has a tattoo of an alien and she's

3617
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:55,680
deceased now of course but she has a

3618
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,800
tattoo

3619
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:58,080
and you know they had a cremator and

3620
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:59,359
they couldn't put her in a jewish

3621
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:00,960
cemetery and so i mean she really

3622
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:02,319
believes this there's no there's no

3623
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:04,160
doubt there's no doubt about it it

3624
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,520
changed her her life and and so yes

3625
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:10,000
something is is going on but you can't

3626
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,080
put your your finger on it and you can't

3627
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:14,640
say that all these experiences are uh

3628
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:17,520
are real because why in god's name

3629
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:19,040
would aliens want to take us for

3630
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:21,840
continuous alien probes and why would

3631
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:23,920
they need to examine hundreds of

3632
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:26,240
thousands of people it doesn't make

3633
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:29,520
sense in any context whether it's a in

3634
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:31,280
an earthly explanation or an

3635
02:20:34,710 --> 02:20:32,880
extraterrestrial one

3636
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:34,720
something is missing from the equation

3637
02:20:39,510 --> 02:20:36,720
and i don't know what it is what is your

3638
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:39,520
view chris well you know again i i

3639
02:20:44,950 --> 02:20:42,160
i tend to to agree and come down you

3640
02:20:47,190 --> 02:20:44,960
know very close to uh to tim on in terms

3641
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:47,200
of my thinking you know i i've mentioned

3642
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:49,120
this on the show a couple of times but

3643
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:51,120
uh a very interesting story was told to

3644
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,439
me by hoyt velarde who was uh for many

3645
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:54,640
years in

3646
02:20:58,150 --> 02:20:56,240
in charge of the department of public

3647
02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:58,160
safety at the hickory apache reservation

3648
02:21:02,309 --> 02:20:59,840
around dolce there

3649
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:02,319
and he said his grandfather

3650
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:04,319
made a very interesting comment when

3651
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:06,080
asked about uh

3652
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:08,080
you know the ufo uh

3653
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:09,520
sightings that people around there had

3654
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:11,200
seen and he asked him about the

3655
02:21:15,910 --> 02:21:13,040
abduction phenomenon and his grandfather

3656
02:21:17,750 --> 02:21:15,920
said that that everybody's is is kind of

3657
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,760
missing the point the people aren't

3658
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:19,280
taken out of their bedrooms to the ship

3659
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:21,120
the ship forms around them

3660
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:22,319
which i always thought was a very

3661
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,600
interesting sort of twist and uh

3662
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:27,439
interesting interpretation so i i think

3663
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:29,840
it's as tim i think very insightfully

3664
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:31,200
points out i think it's a lot more

3665
02:21:33,750 --> 02:21:32,479
complicated

3666
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:33,760
than your

3667
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:36,240
standard cut and dried i think scenario

3668
02:21:39,510 --> 02:21:37,840
that that most people

3669
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,520
attribute to the abduction phenomenon i

3670
02:21:42,950 --> 02:21:41,040
think it's it's uh

3671
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:42,960
it's much more complicated uh there's a

3672
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:45,600
lot more of a psychological element i

3673
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:47,840
think than than most people i think give

3674
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:50,240
credit to that particular angle i i

3675
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:52,560
really do i think that there's uh

3676
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:55,040
certain people may be more prone

3677
02:21:59,670 --> 02:21:57,680
certain personality types perhaps

3678
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,680
there's got to be some underlying

3679
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:01,280
constant but

3680
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:02,880
i i think it's so varied it's very

3681
02:22:06,550 --> 02:22:04,720
difficult to pull that that signal out

3682
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:06,560
from the noise you know chris on the

3683
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,920
other hand an astral trip or a dream

3684
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:11,840
does not explain how a bullet would be

3685
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:14,880
twisted inside out how a truck could be

3686
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:17,680
teleported into a marshy area where two

3687
02:22:21,349 --> 02:22:19,840
tow trucks would have to you know like

3688
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:21,359
no and that's a very well documented

3689
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:23,439
case too it is it is yeah there are

3690
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:26,160
others but i i would say we're limited

3691
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:29,680
to maybe 12 or 15 that are really really

3692
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,479
good solid cases along that line other

3693
02:22:36,389 --> 02:22:34,000
people you know can tell you their of

3694
02:22:38,389 --> 02:22:36,399
their experiences and again some of them

3695
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:38,399
are deluded there's no doubt about that

3696
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:40,560
i mean you know i've heard that people

3697
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,000
who just come up to me and tell me their

3698
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:44,160
story and you know i can't prove it i

3699
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:46,640
can't disprove it all i can do is nod

3700
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:48,319
and say yes other people claim that

3701
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:50,000
they've had the same things happen to

3702
02:22:53,429 --> 02:22:52,640
them but now when you're abducted or you

3703
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:53,439
have

3704
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:55,439
somebody let's say whispering in your

3705
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:57,680
ear for for lack of a better term

3706
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:59,760
telling you to go out and you go out at

3707
02:23:03,510 --> 02:23:01,439
night and you take your camera with you

3708
02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:03,520
and you point it at the sky and all

3709
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:06,240
these weird objects start to form either

3710
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:08,000
that you see you know while you're

3711
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:09,600
taking the pictures or later when you

3712
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:12,000
develop the film there's got to be some

3713
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,040
external you know a power or or force or

3714
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:17,600
intelligent intelligence behind this now

3715
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:20,240
my thinking after all these years is

3716
02:23:25,750 --> 02:23:22,880
that this intelligence is not in

3717
02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:25,760
intelligence in the way that we think of

3718
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:28,399
uh you know like a person sitting at a

3719
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:29,680
at a ship

3720
02:23:33,110 --> 02:23:30,560
panel

3721
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:33,120
uh you know or dashboard uh sending us

3722
02:23:37,990 --> 02:23:35,359
down are beaming us messages into our

3723
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,000
head i think this intelligent is

3724
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,080
something that we cannot even comprehend

3725
02:23:44,870 --> 02:23:42,640
of because it is not on a physical level

3726
02:23:47,750 --> 02:23:44,880
like we think of it it is a random

3727
02:23:51,429 --> 02:23:47,760
intelligence that wants to be known at

3728
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:51,439
certain times and i don't even think

3729
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:52,800
if they want to be known they care

3730
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:54,800
whether it's a hoax or not you know

3731
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:57,840
again the ufo field seems to like kind

3732
02:24:02,790 --> 02:24:00,240
of propel itself and and people say you

3733
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,800
know if we didn't have the contact ease

3734
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:04,640
involved in this or we didn't have this

3735
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:06,319
aspect of it

3736
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:08,720
the subject would be more legitimate

3737
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:11,520
well no it wouldn't necessarily and i'm

3738
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:13,680
not sure if it would be of that much

3739
02:24:16,309 --> 02:24:15,600
interest to people let's do our break

3740
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:16,319
tim

3741
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:21,040
with gene and chris you're in the

3742
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:29,510
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3743
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:32,240
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3744
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:37,040
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3745
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:39,120
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3746
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:41,439
received by critics and readers alike

3747
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:43,040
it's a thrill a minute story you'll

3748
02:24:46,389 --> 02:24:44,479
never forget

3749
02:24:48,870 --> 02:24:46,399
a former u s military intelligence

3750
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:48,880
officer is haunted by intense dreams

3751
02:24:53,750 --> 02:24:51,439
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

3752
02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:53,760
help after a terrible battle in outer

3753
02:24:57,030 --> 02:24:54,880
space

3754
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:57,040
but the dreams turn out to be true and

3755
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:58,960
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

3756
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:01,680
with a woman whose far away planet is

3757
02:25:06,630 --> 02:25:04,160
intent on destroying the earth

3758
02:25:09,110 --> 02:25:06,640
and now the gripping tale continues in

3759
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:09,120
the coming of the protectors it's the

3760
02:25:13,830 --> 02:25:11,680
second book of the rockoids trilogy a

3761
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:13,840
galaxy spanning adventure that pits our

3762
02:25:18,389 --> 02:25:16,160
hapless heroes against powerful

3763
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:18,399
fanatical enemies that threaten the

3764
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:20,319
lives of freedom-loving beings

3765
02:25:24,150 --> 02:25:21,439
everywhere

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the irs is a private corporation not a

3772
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government agency income tax is

3773
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collected by voluntary compliance to

3774
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learn to unvolunteer or discontinue

3775
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:51,280
volunteering into the irs visit escape

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3777
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strategy one the process must be

3778
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repeated each and every time paper

3779
02:26:05,030 --> 02:26:02,560
letter envelope presentment etc always

3780
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:05,040
and forever failure equates to

3781
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:07,520
acceptance subsequent resultant contract

3782
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and you pay or go to jail by your own

3783
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consent and agreement contract avoid

3784
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re-contracting visit escape harassment

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3786
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3787
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3788
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3789
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:26,640
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3790
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3792
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free from the irs escape harassment dot

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3794
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stressful issues are always popping up

3795
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have you ever been treated unfairly by

3796
02:26:47,830 --> 02:26:46,000
someone have you ever been overcharged

3797
02:26:49,910 --> 02:26:47,840
for repair have you ever signed a

3798
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:49,920
contract or a document worried about

3799
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identity theft how many times have you

3800
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been in those unique situations where

3801
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:55,439
you just wanted to call an attorney to

3802
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:57,359
find out if you're right or wrong or

3803
02:27:00,870 --> 02:26:59,120
what your legal rights are but every

3804
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time you think about calling an attorney

3805
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3806
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3807
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3808
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3820
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3821
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3822
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:42,560
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3823
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:44,319
credit card your subway card says it's

3824
02:27:47,590 --> 02:27:45,840
empty but you bought it yesterday

3825
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:47,600
someone's been in your hotel room but

3826
02:27:52,389 --> 02:27:49,600
the desk clerk says they only show you

3827
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:52,399
entering the room these are signs of ep

3828
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3829
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3830
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:59,200
radio chip so you can just wave your

3831
02:28:02,790 --> 02:28:01,280
card at the register the turnstile or

3832
02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:02,800
your hotel room door but what's

3833
02:28:06,790 --> 02:28:04,800
convenient for you is also convenient

3834
02:28:08,710 --> 02:28:06,800
for thieves waving scanners to

3835
02:28:10,790 --> 02:28:08,720
electronically pickpocket you without

3836
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3840
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3841
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3842
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3843
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3844
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3845
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3846
02:28:33,349 --> 02:28:31,920
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3847
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:33,359
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3848
02:28:36,710 --> 02:28:34,880
emotions immediately inform your friends

3849
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:36,720
and family about idstronghold.com so

3850
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:43,510
this is leslie kane and i'm with the

3851
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:45,920
coalition for freedom of information and

3852
02:28:51,510 --> 02:28:49,600
you are listening to the paracast

3853
02:28:53,030 --> 02:28:51,520
tim beckley joins us for one more

3854
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:53,040
segment with gina and chris and the

3855
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:55,680
powercast tim let's have you continue

3856
02:28:59,670 --> 02:28:58,000
for a moment and then we want to get to

3857
02:29:01,830 --> 02:28:59,680
one or more questions before we end this

3858
02:29:03,349 --> 02:29:01,840
segment well you know to a to a large

3859
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:03,359
degree gene and i think you have to

3860
02:29:07,349 --> 02:29:05,600
agree with this if ufos were not a

3861
02:29:09,990 --> 02:29:07,359
mystery we wouldn't be sitting here

3862
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:10,000
talking about this after 50 something

3863
02:29:15,030 --> 02:29:12,960
years and going to the national ufo uh

3864
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:15,040
convention in in cleveland the the

3865
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:17,280
summer and traveling 15 hours on a trade

3866
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:20,479
to get there because if the ufo mystery

3867
02:29:24,790 --> 02:29:22,880
were solved it would be probably very

3868
02:29:26,950 --> 02:29:24,800
mundane suppose there was an occasional

3869
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:26,960
spaceship coming here people would get

3870
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:28,560
unless they were here to like do us in

3871
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:30,960
or to kidnap or or women or something

3872
02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:32,319
people would just kind of shrug their

3873
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:34,319
shoulders and and see how it would

3874
02:29:38,230 --> 02:29:36,000
affect the stock market or something you

3875
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:38,240
know i mean what's the hoopla about

3876
02:29:43,510 --> 02:29:40,319
unless there's some real big social

3877
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:43,520
impact on us here uh you know i mean

3878
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:44,720
this has been happening since the

3879
02:29:49,910 --> 02:29:46,960
beginning of time and will be happening

3880
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:49,920
long after we are just uh dust in the

3881
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:52,560
wind well that's that's a point well

3882
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:53,520
taken

3883
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:55,359
you know i think it has to be uh

3884
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,040
compelling in order for people to really

3885
02:30:00,389 --> 02:29:59,520
uh pay attention and notice it so

3886
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:00,399
you know

3887
02:30:04,870 --> 02:30:03,359
i i tend to agree with that myself

3888
02:30:05,590 --> 02:30:04,880
i do have a question here from one of

3889
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:05,600
our

3890
02:30:11,550 --> 02:30:09,359
um

3891
02:30:13,510 --> 02:30:11,560
very active members at

3892
02:30:15,429 --> 02:30:13,520
form.paracast.com where you can ask

3893
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:15,439
questions of our guests

3894
02:30:19,750 --> 02:30:18,240
and uh he says i've heard tim speak on

3895
02:30:21,429 --> 02:30:19,760
synchronicities a number of times

3896
02:30:23,429 --> 02:30:21,439
synchronicities are also a favorite

3897
02:30:26,230 --> 02:30:23,439
subject of mine and i've tried to create

3898
02:30:28,550 --> 02:30:26,240
my own filters so as to discern between

3899
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:28,560
something seemingly synchronistic

3900
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:31,200
between that in a simple coincidence

3901
02:30:34,070 --> 02:30:33,120
or even an accident and we'd like to

3902
02:30:36,630 --> 02:30:34,080
know what

3903
02:30:39,110 --> 02:30:36,640
your filters might be well you know i

3904
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:39,120
have a whole list of synchronicities

3905
02:30:43,510 --> 02:30:42,399
they now take up about two and a half

3906
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:43,520
pages

3907
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:46,080
some of them are very dramatic and some

3908
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:47,520
of them are not

3909
02:30:53,510 --> 02:30:50,479
dramatic at all they are only dramatic

3910
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,520
to me now the first synchronicity that i

3911
02:30:57,110 --> 02:30:55,680
had and probably the most striking one

3912
02:30:59,990 --> 02:30:57,120
and i've told this i think even on the

3913
02:31:02,150 --> 02:31:00,000
paracas here but to make it short uh we

3914
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:02,160
mentioned the name dale reddick before

3915
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:05,520
back in the late 1960s he invited me to

3916
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:08,479
speak for his ufo group in san francisco

3917
02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:10,960
i had never been to san francisco before

3918
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:12,720
he was paying my way and putting me up

3919
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:15,120
so of course i accepted the uh

3920
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:16,880
uh the uh

3921
02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:18,880
the trip and and gave a lecture and i

3922
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:20,000
think there were three or four hundred

3923
02:31:23,510 --> 02:31:21,600
people there in an auditorium i remember

3924
02:31:25,110 --> 02:31:23,520
they had a little balcony and all and

3925
02:31:27,429 --> 02:31:25,120
and he had some very nice friends and he

3926
02:31:29,830 --> 02:31:27,439
was married and uh we we hung out a

3927
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:29,840
little bit and the next day on sunday it

3928
02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:31,760
was time to fly back but we had some

3929
02:31:36,630 --> 02:31:33,920
time to kill so we decided to have

3930
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:36,640
brunch it was a sunday afternoon and so

3931
02:31:40,389 --> 02:31:39,040
we picked a place at random now

3932
02:31:42,389 --> 02:31:40,399
mind you i had never been in san

3933
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:42,399
francisco before and the place that we

3934
02:31:45,910 --> 02:31:44,160
picked to have brunch nobody had ever

3935
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:45,920
been in we took a seat and we started

3936
02:31:49,190 --> 02:31:47,760
chatting and i happened to mention to

3937
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:49,200
dale and the other people that were

3938
02:31:53,590 --> 02:31:51,120
there it was too bad that i hadn't

3939
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,600
thought in advance to call some of the

3940
02:31:57,270 --> 02:31:55,200
people that i had known that used to

3941
02:31:59,590 --> 02:31:57,280
live in new york and had moved to san

3942
02:32:02,710 --> 02:31:59,600
francisco in particular i mentioned the

3943
02:32:04,550 --> 02:32:02,720
name of alan vaughn who had lectured and

3944
02:32:06,309 --> 02:32:04,560
given workshops first when i was running

3945
02:32:07,670 --> 02:32:06,319
the new york school of occult arts and

3946
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:07,680
sciences

3947
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:10,160
he had moved to san francisco to edit a

3948
02:32:15,110 --> 02:32:12,960
glossy magazine called psychic which was

3949
02:32:17,030 --> 02:32:15,120
sold on newsstands at that time that was

3950
02:32:18,710 --> 02:32:17,040
kind of during the height of

3951
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:18,720
magazine sales on newsstands of course

3952
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:20,880
it dwindled after the years and nothing

3953
02:32:25,670 --> 02:32:22,800
is left anymore except for fate on

3954
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:25,680
occasion anyway five minutes later the

3955
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:28,000
door to the restaurant we are in opens

3956
02:32:33,190 --> 02:32:30,560
up a gentleman walks in with a dog on a

3957
02:32:35,990 --> 02:32:33,200
leash approaches us and i look at him

3958
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:36,000
and i said to myself and to my friends

3959
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:38,880
is that alan vaughn it can't possibly be

3960
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:41,120
okay so i i motioned the guy over and i

3961
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:42,640
said aren't you alan vaughn and he said

3962
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:45,200
yes aren't you tim and i said yes i am

3963
02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:46,560
and i said what are you doing here and

3964
02:32:49,349 --> 02:32:48,000
he said well i was just out walking my

3965
02:32:51,349 --> 02:32:49,359
dog and i wanted to come in and have a

3966
02:32:53,270 --> 02:32:51,359
beer he's a pretty good beer drinker and

3967
02:32:54,870 --> 02:32:53,280
i just picked this place at random so he

3968
02:32:56,630 --> 02:32:54,880
sat down and we had a good chuckle about

3969
02:32:58,389 --> 02:32:56,640
this i mean how many people live in the

3970
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:58,399
san francisco area what two million or

3971
02:33:01,349 --> 02:32:59,920
something like that right what's your

3972
02:33:02,870 --> 02:33:01,359
chances of running into somebody you

3973
02:33:05,110 --> 02:33:02,880
haven't seen in five years in a place

3974
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:05,120
you've never been in before so we sat

3975
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:06,560
down we had a little chat we laughed

3976
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:08,080
about this and i said alan what are you

3977
02:33:10,870 --> 02:33:09,359
doing these days and he said well you

3978
02:33:12,950 --> 02:33:10,880
know i'm working on a book on

3979
02:33:14,550 --> 02:33:12,960
synchronicities and coincidences and i

3980
02:33:16,389 --> 02:33:14,560
guess i'll have to put this in the book

3981
02:33:19,030 --> 02:33:16,399
so sure enough if you can find it that's

3982
02:33:20,870 --> 02:33:19,040
the old paperback that's over 50 or 75

3983
02:33:22,950 --> 02:33:20,880
cents i think it's case number 17 in

3984
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:22,960
there but i used to go down to miami

3985
02:33:26,870 --> 02:33:24,880
continuing on with this my friend harry

3986
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:26,880
levelson who worked for omni magazine

3987
02:33:30,070 --> 02:33:28,479
had moved down there because he didn't

3988
02:33:31,910 --> 02:33:30,080
want to be bothered anymore living in

3989
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:31,920
new york and he moved down there and had

3990
02:33:36,950 --> 02:33:34,080
no telephone well you know every time i

3991
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:36,960
was in miami i would walk over

3992
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:39,120
to one particular block and harry lived

3993
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:40,560
about four blocks away and i would meet

3994
02:33:43,990 --> 02:33:42,000
him there he didn't know that i was

3995
02:33:45,429 --> 02:33:44,000
coming uh you know and i would only go

3996
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:45,439
down there once a year it wasn't like a

3997
02:33:49,030 --> 02:33:46,960
weekly event or something there and he

3998
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:49,040
would he would be there that's just like

3999
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:50,720
meeting people that you haven't seen in

4000
02:33:55,429 --> 02:33:52,720
a long time but this even goes much

4001
02:33:58,230 --> 02:33:55,439
further than that about a year ago it

4002
02:34:00,469 --> 02:33:58,240
was labor day and i was standing at the

4003
02:34:02,630 --> 02:34:00,479
the bus stop with my friend carol who

4004
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:02,640
has been my assistant for oh 20

4005
02:34:06,790 --> 02:34:04,399
something years now

4006
02:34:09,030 --> 02:34:06,800
we had just become senior citizens and

4007
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:09,040
the bus rate is like half of what the

4008
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:11,200
normal price of 225 would be or two

4009
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:12,880
dollars or whatever it is so

4010
02:34:17,349 --> 02:34:15,520
i i had uh prepared in advance a little

4011
02:34:19,510 --> 02:34:17,359
cup that i carried in my pocket that had

4012
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:19,520
all kinds of change in it so i went in

4013
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:21,040
to take out a buck and a quarter in

4014
02:34:25,030 --> 02:34:23,040
quarters and i gave it to carol to put

4015
02:34:26,389 --> 02:34:25,040
it into the uh the place where you feed

4016
02:34:27,910 --> 02:34:26,399
the coins when you get on the bus you

4017
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:27,920
know and she looked at it and she said

4018
02:34:31,590 --> 02:34:30,160
oh you better not put this one in there

4019
02:34:33,590 --> 02:34:31,600
it won't go through the turnstile

4020
02:34:35,110 --> 02:34:33,600
because it's a canadian quarter and the

4021
02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:35,120
bus driver will get mad you know how new

4022
02:34:38,550 --> 02:34:36,720
york bus drivers are and kick you off

4023
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:38,560
the bus and maybe even call the police

4024
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:40,479
so we were sitting on the bench at the

4025
02:34:43,910 --> 02:34:42,319
bus stop right the little bench there

4026
02:34:46,070 --> 02:34:43,920
and i said it instead of throwing the

4027
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:46,080
coin away let me take the quarter and

4028
02:34:50,309 --> 02:34:48,560
put it on the bench maybe somebody from

4029
02:34:53,110 --> 02:34:50,319
toronto will come along and see it and

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pick it up and be able to use it back in

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canada okay so we get on the bus we go

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across town

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02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:59,359
uh for maybe six or seven blocks we get

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off the bus to go to the uh to the

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02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:03,920
seaport they're on the sidewalk in the

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02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:06,560
exact same spot where the bench would

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02:35:11,750 --> 02:35:08,479
have been if there was a bench at this

4038
02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:11,760
sidewalk was a coin i picked it up and

4039
02:35:16,469 --> 02:35:14,240
it was a u.s quarter how could i have

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02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:16,479
possibly left the canadian quarter at

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02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:19,680
one bus stop and found an american a

4042
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:21,439
quarter at the other that's beyond

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02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:23,600
chance what is the possibility of the

4044
02:35:27,429 --> 02:35:25,520
probability of that happening and i

4045
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:27,439
figured with the rate of exchange i made

4046
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:29,680
about a penny and a half on the deal

4047
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:31,120
well it was certainly worth the effort

4048
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:33,680
then yes but you know

4049
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:35,840
this goes on and on and on like i say i

4050
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:39,040
have over two pages of incidences like

4051
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:41,520
this some very peculiar i was on the

4052
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:43,920
long john nebbel show one night

4053
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:46,640
and i get a call the next day from a gal

4054
02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:48,960
who works for new york magazine she did

4055
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:50,960
the back page it would it was called

4056
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:52,880
best bets it was like a list of 10

4057
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:54,640
things that you could do in new york she

4058
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:57,120
says i want to do a listing of the 10

4059
02:36:01,750 --> 02:35:59,040
best ufo sightings in the new york long

4060
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:01,760
island the area so i i talked to her for

4061
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:03,920
about maybe 15 minutes on the phone i

4062
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:05,359
told her let me send you some more

4063
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,120
materials so that you get my address

4064
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:09,040
into the magazine article and all i said

4065
02:36:12,309 --> 02:36:10,640
where do you live i'll send it to you

4066
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,319
she gave me the address i said well i'm

4067
02:36:15,990 --> 02:36:14,399
two apartments below you turned out she

4068
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:16,000
lived on the top floor

4069
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:18,000
it goes on because there's a after she's

4070
02:36:23,110 --> 02:36:20,399
deceased there's another story that goes

4071
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:23,120
uh with that about her meeting the uh

4072
02:36:27,349 --> 02:36:25,040
the delhi llama and me running into

4073
02:36:28,710 --> 02:36:27,359
somebody 20 years later who knew her and

4074
02:36:31,990 --> 02:36:28,720
was on that trip

4075
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:32,000
it it's it's part of the pattern i do

4076
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:33,280
believe that they are trying to

4077
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:35,120
communicate with us but they cannot

4078
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,399
speak to us

4079
02:36:40,550 --> 02:36:38,640
verbally in the normal sense so they are

4080
02:36:42,630 --> 02:36:40,560
doing it through symbols and patterns

4081
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:42,640
that's me maybe i'm wrong you could say

4082
02:36:47,790 --> 02:36:45,760
that i'm crazy but anyway uh get uh my

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4085
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:53,359
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4086
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4087
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4088
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:59,840
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